UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[Derek27]

When somebody's 16 they can decide for themselves. It's not a little strange, it's absolutely absurd, compulsory education until 18 with the option to leave at 16.

I remember asking a very attractive woman who was looking for a job if she considered bar work and she said she can't add up. I'd never have guessed it, she certainly wasn't thick, but some people just have a stumbling block with certain things and persevering may be a waste of time or take hundreds of hours to make a small amount of progress. It may be different for people with learning difficulties (who I used to work with) but people with other skills and qualifications would be better off focusing on them.

I could never learn to either whistle or blow bubbles with bubblegum no matter how hard my brothers tried to teach me and still can't to this day. I'm just lucky we didn't have a PM at the time that thought it was important.

Until we get the detail it could be "strange" or "absurd" it's just that I don't look upon things with the maximum negativity, I wait for the facts.

What's attractivity got to do with a job applicant unless ....

So you compare someone's education with bubble gum blowing! Interesting.

Anyway what you are saying is that if they haven't achieved something by the time they are 16 then just give up and concentrate energies elsewhere ... not very LL of you!

You don't look upon things with maximum negativity? You certainly do with my posts when choosing your interpretation!

No detail is necessary, forcing kids to learn maths until they're 18 is completely bonkers.

I didn't compare maths to whistling or blowing bubblegum, I was just illustrating the point that in some cases you could be wasting your time trying to improve certain skills beyond your ability. Maths is not the be-all and end-all. Why stop at 18? Why not 30?

And I never suggested giving up on failures once they reach 16. You have to assess students on an individual basis. Some will benefit from further maths lessons and some won't. You could even take the students' (who are near adults) wishes and carreer plans into consideration!

[firlandsfarm]

You don't look upon things with maximum negativity? You certainly do with my posts when choosing your interpretation!

I just comment on your words ... you choose the words!

No detail is necessary, forcing kids to learn maths until they're 18 is completely bonkers.

Thank you for your view, shame it's not based on fact!

I didn't compare maths to whistling or blowing bubblegum, I was just illustrating the point that in some cases you could be wasting your time trying to improve certain skills beyond your ability. Maths is not the be-all and end-all. Why stop at 18? Why not 30?

And I never suggested giving up on failures once they reach 16. You have to assess students on an individual basis. Some will benefit from further maths lessons and some won't. You could even take the students' (who are near adults) wishes and carreer plans into consideration!

Oh dear, I must brush up on my English I could have sworn I was talking of helping people to be educated and you talked of bubblegum!

And I really thought you basically said if they haven't learnt by 16 they never will ... yes I'm sure that's what you said/implied.

BTW do you still see attractivity as a recruitment criteria?

[Kai]

Hope someone is tallying up the points!

[Derek27]

You don't look upon things with maximum negativity? You certainly do with my posts when choosing your interpretation!

I just comment on your words ... you choose the words!

No detail is necessary, forcing kids to learn maths until they're 18 is completely bonkers.

Thank you for your view, shame it's not based on fact!

I didn't compare maths to whistling or blowing bubblegum, I was just illustrating the point that in some cases you could be wasting your time trying to improve certain skills beyond your ability. Maths is not the be-all and end-all. Why stop at 18? Why not 30?

And I never suggested giving up on failures once they reach 16. You have to assess students on an individual basis. Some will benefit from further maths lessons and some won't. You could even take the students' (who are near adults) wishes and carreer plans into consideration!

Oh dear, I must brush up on my English I could have sworn I was talking of helping people to be educated and you talked of bubblegum!

And I really thought you basically said if they haven't learnt by 16 they never will ... yes I'm sure that's what you said/implied.

BTW do you still see attractivity as a recruitment criteria?

I'm pretty sure most people would realise I was being lighthearted in the last paragraph, and bubblegum was not the subject of it, it was merely mentioned, so it's wrong to say I was talking about bubblegum or comparing it to maths.

I said it MAY be a waste of time, which means in some instances. You decided I was implying that it always will be and you should give up on them, but that was your decision - you can't blame me for that.

Perhaps you do need to brush up on your English but your real problem is that you judge books by their covers. If you see a bankrupt chef with 20 years experience walk out of the job centre you assume he can't cook because he's poor, and when you see one of my posts you decide it's bullshit before you're read it and interpret it in a negative way.

The poor can't cook

[firlandsfarm]

Well thank you Derek for demonstrating that it is impossible to have a constructive debate with someone who doesn't say what they mean. If you want to avoid misinterpretations then use the Smilies to show your intent. And yes it MAY be a waste of time but that also requires you to agree it MAY be successful! Your assumption about me and a poor chef is totally wrong but you criticise me for making what you see as assumptions about you. And contrary to your stated thoughts I always read your posts when related to a shared topic and have agreed with some. I never see any posts from anybody as bullshit, everyone is entitled to their view and likewise I am entitled to agree or disagree and state if I do but as usual those with a Left leaning find it hard to accept some may disagree with them. BTW is "Left leaning" a new interpretation of LL? ... (see the " ", that is indicating to you that that comment is light-hearted to hopefully avoid any misinterpretation!)

Like the last time we "clashed" it proved to be a waste of time with no possibility of an agreeable outcome so I end it here. No matter what you say, no matter how right or wrong it may be I will not respond so over to you for the last word.

... the poor can't cook ...

Note: you introduced that phrase ... two can takes things out of context!

[arbitrage16]

BTW do you still see attractivity as a recruitment criteria?

Pretty funny seeing this muppet being smug and condescending when he's using the wrong word in the wrong context.

[Archangel]

Food prices in the UK are rising at the fastest rate for 45 years

But the good news is the Chancellor says he has a plan to fight inflation.

[Derek27]

Well thank you Derek for demonstrating that it is impossible to have a constructive debate with someone who doesn't say what they mean. If you want to avoid misinterpretations then use the Smilies to show your intent. And yes it MAY be a waste of time but that also requires you to agree it MAY be successful!

We're talking about individuals, so you can say it will be a waste of time for some and useful for others. But Sunak's intention is to apply it to everyone. That's stupid.

Your assumption about me and a poor chef is totally wrong but you criticise me for making what you see as assumptions about you.

No, it wasn't an assumption. You actually said you don't think poor people can cook. That includes fully-trained chefs that for one reason or another find themselves living in povety.

... the poor can't cook ...

Note: you introduced that phrase ... two can takes things out of context!

Anyone can click on the arrow and see what was said in its full context. I was quoting Lee Anderson but you actually sunk to his depths and agreed with it, "I don't think they can".

We all know that poor people can cook (many of us will have had poor parents) and personally I find it offensive to talk about a group of people as though they're all the same.

[Archangel]

This thread

[sionascaig]

Judgement day for Rabb. Looks like outcomes are: fired, resigns, stays on. Could be highlight of the day. Unfortunately no market for it.

Speaking of which (markets): Labour even money(ish) to secure an overall majority next election (from a low of 1.5) - surprised it was as high as this. 2nd fav being no overall majority (2.64)....

Clearly labour not that effective at taking advantage of recent tory chaos.

edit - really hoping someone organises an Abba leaving party if he's booted.

edit edit - that is one nice steady drift on labour, wonder if it will continue if Sunak can get a grip

[Emmson]

Raab has gone, a particularly nasty individual

https://twitter.com/AmyNicks_/status/16 ... 9133309955

[Derek27]

Vacancy's arrisen for a new Bully of Whitehall.

[Archangel]

Good to see Raab gone finally. A man promoted by Boris Johnson and an inept politician.
No doubt if Boris was still PM, Raab wouldn't be forced to resign for bullying, like Pritti Patel wasn't.

[firlandsfarm]

Pretty funny seeing this muppet being smug and condescending when he's using the wrong word in the wrong context.

Rather a muppet than a pig ignorant accuser.

[Archangel]

Its amazing how some completely talentless people got to thrive in the post Brexit political landscape. I recall Raab was a key figure in the negotiation of the first withdrawal agreement with Teresa May. Then he went and voted against the agreement he helped negotiate. The man literally could not agree with himself



Interestingly Raab states that he doesnt accept the findings of the independant inquiry into his conduct. Can only mean he plans to make a come back at some point. My prediction is when we see Boris campainging again, Raab will turn up, sweaty.