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Derek27
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The commander of the Black Sea fleet has been killed in Friday's attack. :D
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Kai
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Not going to celebrate anyone's death (even someone like Hitler?) but these high ranking officials seem fked either way, nobody killed more of them than Putin himself, ironically most of them during peace time, he even killed their most capable commander just last month

But speaking of Hitler, always thought one of his uncredited and underrated crimes that nobody speaks about is forever ruining a perfectly good moustache style for billions of future men

In any case, this old piece of data from earlier in the thread needs updating now

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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:02 pm
The commander of the Black Sea fleet has been killed in Friday's attack. :D
Correction. Reports and claim from Russia that he's still alive.
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:34 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:02 pm
The commander of the Black Sea fleet has been killed in Friday's attack. :D
Correction. Reports and claim from Russia that he's still alive.
Are you sure? He looks asleep in the video they presented as proof, while the other guys look very much awake. 🤔

How do we know Russia is not pulling a "Weekend at Bernie's" stunt? :)

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Kai wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:40 am
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:34 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:02 pm
The commander of the Black Sea fleet has been killed in Friday's attack. :D
Correction. Reports and claim from Russia that he's still alive.
Are you sure? He looks asleep in the video they presented as proof, while the other guys look very much awake. 🤔

How do we know Russia is not pulling a "Weekend at Bernie's" stunt? :)

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My bad. When I said reports and claims from Russia, I meant reports from the West and claims from Russia. He's probably dead but there's no firm evidence of it.
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"British troops could deploy to Ukraine for first time to train soldiers, says Grant Shapps"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ant-shapps

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napshnap wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:33 pm
"British troops could deploy to Ukraine for first time to train soldiers, says Grant Shapps"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ant-shapps

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Wrong way round, chief. It's Putin that's tweaking the nations he describes as threats. Thie whole Ukraine issue isn't difficult.
Don't invade a sovereign nation - simples!!
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greenmark wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:14 pm
napshnap wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:33 pm
"British troops could deploy to Ukraine for first time to train soldiers, says Grant Shapps"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ant-shapps

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Wrong way round, chief. It's Putin that's tweaking the nations he describes as threats. Thie whole Ukraine issue isn't difficult.
Don't invade a sovereign nation - simples!!
Allow me a lil correction here "Don't invade a sovereign nation *if you didn't evolved form the monkey stage yet* - simples!!"
(The mustaches is sovereignty)
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napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:43 am
greenmark wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:14 pm
napshnap wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:33 pm
"British troops could deploy to Ukraine for first time to train soldiers, says Grant Shapps"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ant-shapps

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Wrong way round, chief. It's Putin that's tweaking the nations he describes as threats. Thie whole Ukraine issue isn't difficult.
Don't invade a sovereign nation - simples!!
Allow me a lil correction here "Don't invade a sovereign nation *if you didn't evolved form the monkey stage yet* - simples!!"
(The mustaches is sovereignty)
Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
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greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:30 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:43 am
greenmark wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:14 pm

Wrong way round, chief. It's Putin that's tweaking the nations he describes as threats. Thie whole Ukraine issue isn't difficult.
Don't invade a sovereign nation - simples!!
Allow me a lil correction here "Don't invade a sovereign nation *if you didn't evolved form the monkey stage yet* - simples!!"
(The mustaches is sovereignty)
Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
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napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:10 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:30 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:43 am


Allow me a lil correction here "Don't invade a sovereign nation *if you didn't evolved form the monkey stage yet* - simples!!"
(The mustaches is sovereignty)
Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
Isn't drawing convicted killers from Russian prisons and training them to fight in Ukraine an escalating thing?
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napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:10 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:30 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:43 am


Allow me a lil correction here "Don't invade a sovereign nation *if you didn't evolved form the monkey stage yet* - simples!!"
(The mustaches is sovereignty)
Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
Escalatiion from a beginning that didn't need to happen.
And the current situation could be defused by Putin offering peace talks. But he won't.
So Ukraine will conitnue to be crushed between Putin's ego and the West's determination not to betray a future ally. Apart from a minority of US republicans who are quite happy to withdraw all suport for Ukraine. Who'd have thought that? US republicans allowing Russia to do what it likes. Funny old world isn't it?
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:32 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:10 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:30 pm

Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
Isn't drawing convicted killers from Russian prisons and training them to fight in Ukraine an escalating thing?
This is, too. But, really, I don't believe this conflict will go beyond its proxy shape.
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greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:41 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:10 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:30 pm

Do you think British troops in Ukraine to train Ukrainians is a bad thing?
It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
Escalatiion from a beginning that didn't need to happen.
And the current situation could be defused by Putin offering peace talks. But he won't.
So Ukraine will conitnue to be crushed between Putin's ego and the West's determination not to betray a future ally. Apart from a minority of US republicans who are quite happy to withdraw all suport for Ukraine. Who'd have thought that? US republicans allowing Russia to do what it likes. Funny old world isn't it?
I think, from the point of view of the narrative of the geographical confrontation of global powers, we can unravel this "historical sweater" endlessly (like, "remeber this one did that and that one did this?"), but I don't have eternity at my disposal.
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napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:50 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:41 pm
napshnap wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:10 pm


It's an escalational thing, so - yes, it's bad.
Escalatiion from a beginning that didn't need to happen.
And the current situation could be defused by Putin offering peace talks. But he won't.
So Ukraine will conitnue to be crushed between Putin's ego and the West's determination not to betray a future ally. Apart from a minority of US republicans who are quite happy to withdraw all suport for Ukraine. Who'd have thought that? US republicans allowing Russia to do what it likes. Funny old world isn't it?
I think, from the point of view of the narrative of the geographical confrontation of global powers, we can unravel this "historical sweater" endlessly (like, "remeber this one did that and that one did this?"), but I don't have eternity at my disposal.
I agree tit for tat is a pointless strategy. I'm not thrilled as a UK citizen with my government or who they choose to be friends with.
But I have to tell you napshnap, from this side of the fence Putin is a very very nasty human and I am very happy my leaders are nothing like him.
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