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Archery1969
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The Silk Run wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:29 pm
What do you think about all those Russian men who have run away from their country and conscription to safer havens like Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Living it up and creating problems in-country with organised crime. I have read terrible stories what they get up to, and how they treat local nationals.

Do you think they have to send monies back to Putins government to support the war machine. Or will he capture them when they eventually return, or deported.
Yes, I been reading about that too.

Putin won’t care, it’s more Russians overseas causing mayhem regardless if they send money home and or pay tax. He won’t care about people dodging the draft. Very few actual professional Russian soldiers have been sent to Ukraine. It’s all been conscripts, ex prisoners and volunteers from India and several brigades from Chechens.

Putin maybe allot of things and someone I would like to meet in an enclosed room. But he is not stupid. He hasn’t really committed any of his well trained, professional soldiers, yet.

Reading between the lines, around 140,000 have been killed or injured Russian side. But only around 25,000 of those were professional forces. The rest, unfortunately, were the term, cannon fodder. Not nice but that’s war.
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conduirez
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The Silk Run wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:29 pm
What do you think about all those Russian men who have run away from their country and conscription to safer havens like Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Living it up and creating problems in-country with organised crime. I have read terrible stories what they get up to, and how they treat local nationals.

Do you think they have to send monies back to Putins government to support the war machine. Or will he capture them when they eventually return, or deported.
I am afraid in this cruel world, no matter what happens it is always the ordinary poor people that suffer. Even if any of them go back to Russia, there will always be another who will come to take their place.
greenmark
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conduirez wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:12 pm
The Silk Run wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:29 pm
What do you think about all those Russian men who have run away from their country and conscription to safer havens like Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Living it up and creating problems in-country with organised crime. I have read terrible stories what they get up to, and how they treat local nationals.

Do you think they have to send monies back to Putins government to support the war machine. Or will he capture them when they eventually return, or deported.
I am afraid in this cruel world, no matter what happens it is always the ordinary poor people that suffer. Even if any of them go back to Russia, there will always be another who will come to take their place.
Can anyone condemn Russians that have left Russia because they don't want to fight an unjust war and squander their lives on the anvil of Putin's ego?
What they do elsewhere is just standard misbehaviour.
War isn't just about cannon fodder, collateral damage. It ripples down the subsequent generations.
We wouldn't need to be debating this without Putin.
There is no such thing as a winnable war. Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are going smashingly well don't you think after "victory"?
Archery1969
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Ukraine is to finally receive its F16s mid July after many of its pilots have now passed training.

Potentially, this will be a game changer plus the Azorz brigade having the western arms embargo lifted.

I would imagine the summer is going to be difficult for Putin and his forces on the ground.
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conduirez
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:59 pm
conduirez wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:12 pm
The Silk Run wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:29 pm
What do you think about all those Russian men who have run away from their country and conscription to safer havens like Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Living it up and creating problems in-country with organised crime. I have read terrible stories what they get up to, and how they treat local nationals.

Do you think they have to send monies back to Putins government to support the war machine. Or will he capture them when they eventually return, or deported.
I am afraid in this cruel world, no matter what happens it is always the ordinary poor people that suffer. Even if any of them go back to Russia, there will always be another who will come to take their place.
Can anyone condemn Russians that have left Russia because they don't want to fight an unjust war and squander their lives on the anvil of Putin's ego?
What they do elsewhere is just standard misbehaviour.
War isn't just about cannon fodder, collateral damage. It ripples down the subsequent generations.
We wouldn't need to be debating this without Putin.
There is no such thing as a winnable war. Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are going smashingly well don't you think after "victory"?
I am sorry to disagree slightly on this greenmark, and I do feel for all the soldiers that disserted.

Alas, I also am sure that Putin has sent cronies under the same pretext, and I am certain if cronies were sent, they will have far more money, to bribe local officials and to corrupt deserters as well. It is the poor locals that suffer.
Archery1969
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ALL Russians who fail to speak out against Putin and his generals are weak, stupid and get everything they deserve.

I won’t lose any sleep if at somepoint the west and/or NATO drops one hell of a Nuke on them.

Don’t give me the argument they or there forces are too scared to speak out. 70 million people can, if they choose too, change world events.

Nalvany was one individual who knew right from wrong. Yes, it cost him his life but if one can do it then others can also.

And don’t forget the 16,000 Russian soldiers who went missing in March 2022. Their job was ultimately to take Kiev. But somehow they and 3 miles of equipment got beamed up by Scottie. They also knew right from wrong.

Putin should be taken out asap like I said back in 2022. Think of the cost he has caused in money, energy and souls lost.

Russia should be given an ultimatum, hand Putin over to face war crimes or face the consequences. Like, run down your local DIY store and stock up on nappies and tin foil.
greenmark
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conduirez wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:54 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:59 pm
conduirez wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:12 pm


I am afraid in this cruel world, no matter what happens it is always the ordinary poor people that suffer. Even if any of them go back to Russia, there will always be another who will come to take their place.
Can anyone condemn Russians that have left Russia because they don't want to fight an unjust war and squander their lives on the anvil of Putin's ego?
What they do elsewhere is just standard misbehaviour.
War isn't just about cannon fodder, collateral damage. It ripples down the subsequent generations.
We wouldn't need to be debating this without Putin.
There is no such thing as a winnable war. Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are going smashingly well don't you think after "victory"?
I am sorry to disagree slightly on this greenmark, and I do feel for all the soldiers that disserted.

Alas, I also am sure that Putin has sent cronies under the same pretext, and I am certain if cronies were sent, they will have far more money, to bribe local officials and to corrupt deserters as well. It is the poor locals that suffer.
Why would Putin send cronies abroad? Is it not more likely that those people had money/connections to avoid being slaughtered. My view is there are a lot Russians that have the ability to leave Russia and have. That's the reality, there is no just war here and the people leaving know it.
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The Silk Run
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I'm not talking about a couple of Russian men falling out of a bar after a few beers ...

I'm talking about serious organised crime. Why should they get away with it. They should be deported back to Russian and become targets for Ukraine. But you know this will never happen because key stakeholders like Law Enforcement and in-country OCG's allow them to continue /

I suppose it's a bit like here in London where you have the Turkish Kurds and Albanians controlling the serious crime. Not the low level street crime like watch & phone rippers, shop lifting, etc ....
Archery1969
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I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
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Derek27
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Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:16 pm
I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
Russia claim Ukraine are attacking their own civilian for propaganda purposes, as they've often claimed before.
greenmark
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Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:16 pm
I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
:lol: War!. Huh! What is good for? Absolutlety nothing!
Archery1969
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Derek27 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:33 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:16 pm
I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
Russia claim Ukraine are attacking their own civilian for propaganda purposes, as they've often claimed before.
:roll: Derek will you put my name forward for being commander in chief of western forces please, I will have the Ukraine war over in a few hours and no it won’t be by Trumps method ? :roll:
Archery1969
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greenmark wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:00 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:16 pm
I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
:lol: War!. Huh! What is good for? Absolutlety nothing!
Greenmark, that’s not funny, blowing up children in hospital. My reaction was to destroy the Kremlin, not a children’s hospital!!
greenmark
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Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:02 pm
greenmark wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:00 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:16 pm
I’m sure what I am about to say will upset a few but I really don’t care.

Can someone please launch a massive strike on the Kremlin asap.

Children's hospital hit as Russian strikes kill dozens in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y1pjk2dzo
:lol: War!. Huh! What is good for? Absolutlety nothing!
Greenmark, that’s not funny, blowing up children in hospital. My reaction was to destroy the Kremlin, not a children’s hospital!!
My laugh was that your reaction to this event almost predictable. But not quite. I laughed because the alternative is to cry.
I get your anger. I really do. We all feel that desire for revenge. My allusion to "War" by The Temptations was how I feel.
If you think war is a solution some how. I'm all ears. I'd happily listen to your opinions. You have experience in this area. I have no military experience so I haven't seen how it can effect things at the sharp end.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else..
Archery1969
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greenmark wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:33 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:02 pm
greenmark wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:00 pm

:lol: War!. Huh! What is good for? Absolutlety nothing!
Greenmark, that’s not funny, blowing up children in hospital. My reaction was to destroy the Kremlin, not a children’s hospital!!
My laugh was that your reaction to this event almost predictable. But not quite. I laughed because the alternative is to cry.
I get your anger. I really do. We all feel that desire for revenge. My allusion to "War" by The Temptations was how I feel.
If you think war is a solution some how. I'm all ears. I'd happily listen to your opinions. You have experience in this area. I have no military experience so I haven't seen how it can effect things at the sharp end.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else..
No offence taken by me. War is cruel. Innocent always die. There was no military target next to that children’s hospital. But so called mistakes happen as we have seen in Gaza and elsewhere, apparently.

Don’t forget, Putin and Russia were shocked, dismayed and could not understand how a well trained unit (Wagner Group) came very close to getting within a few miles of Moscow and the Kremlin with virtually no opposition.

Nobody can tell me that the west, with all its combined special forces, couldn’t do the same.

As an adult who decides to join the armed forces, they know the risks. They are targets. Children and the innocent are not targets.

My solution would be quick and end further bloodshed and draw the war to an end.

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