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firlandsfarm
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Archery1969 wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:53 pm
jimibt wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:34 pm
greenmark wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:29 pm
FTSE up 1.3%. What's tht about?
might be worth consulting the forex calendar to see if any events have conspired to increase confidence on any currencies or employment rates. nothing today tho showing as massive:

https://www.forexfactory.com/calendar?day=jul31.2024
No news affecting GBP but someone is selling GBP, i not complaining as my bot is doing nicely. :D

I suspect someone is moving their profits from currencies to FTSE and Gold.
It was more the strength of the Yen than weakness/selling of GBP. Yen has been strong against all major currencies recently.
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:06 am
firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:14 am
[I feel sorry for the mugs who fell for it and voted for them
Feel sorry for the mugs that voted in Truss (you weren't one of them were you?). Can you imagine the shame. :mrgreen:
Nope, same as with Labour party I'm not a member of any party so don't get a leadership vote
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Emmson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:00 am
If Labour put some meat on the policies and I agree with them I could vote for them because Labour are not the Labour of old.

firlandsfarm last November on here, today Labour voters are mugs.
Oh dear you really do have a problem reading and understanding what is written. I didn't say Labour voters are mugs, I referred to the mugs who voted Labour ... they are not the same but let's not let a false interpretation get in the way of an unsubstantiated criticism shall we! BTW I stand by what I said on both occasions.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:14 pm
Emmson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:00 am
If Labour put some meat on the policies and I agree with them I could vote for them because Labour are not the Labour of old.

firlandsfarm last November on here, today Labour voters are mugs.
Oh dear you really do have a problem reading and understanding what is written. I didn't say Labour voters are mugs, I referred to the mugs who voted Labour ... they are not the same but let's not let a false interpretation get in the way of an unsubstantiated criticism shall we! BTW I stand by what I said on both occasions.
Thats a pretty thin distinction....vanishingly so. People that voted Labour are Labour voters, no? They may not be Labour Party members or even Labour supporters but they voted Labour in droves. The end result is years off now (short of a Truss-like meltdown). I wanted the Tories to succeed but they f**ked me and those around me. Well except for my cousin that married a consultant anaesthetist from an upper middleclass family.
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:58 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:14 pm
Emmson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:00 am
If Labour put some meat on the policies and I agree with them I could vote for them because Labour are not the Labour of old.

firlandsfarm last November on here, today Labour voters are mugs.
Oh dear you really do have a problem reading and understanding what is written. I didn't say Labour voters are mugs, I referred to the mugs who voted Labour ... they are not the same but let's not let a false interpretation get in the way of an unsubstantiated criticism shall we! BTW I stand by what I said on both occasions.
Thats a pretty thin distinction....vanishingly so. People that voted Labour are Labour voters, no? They may not be Labour Party members or even Labour supporters but they voted Labour in droves. The end result is years off now (short of a Truss-like meltdown). I wanted the Tories to succeed but they f**ked me and those around me. Well except for my cousin that married a consultant anaesthetist from an upper middleclass family.
Thats a pretty thin distinction....vanishingly so.

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greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:58 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:14 pm
Emmson wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:00 am
If Labour put some meat on the policies and I agree with them I could vote for them because Labour are not the Labour of old.

firlandsfarm last November on here, today Labour voters are mugs.
Oh dear you really do have a problem reading and understanding what is written. I didn't say Labour voters are mugs, I referred to the mugs who voted Labour ... they are not the same but let's not let a false interpretation get in the way of an unsubstantiated criticism shall we! BTW I stand by what I said on both occasions.
I wanted the Tories to succeed but they f**ked me and those around me.
In what way ?
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:58 pm

People that voted Labour are Labour voters, no? They may not be Labour Party members or even Labour supporters but they voted Labour in droves.
No they didn't. Labour won by default because a large proportion of Conservative voters voted Reform. Less people voted Labour this year than they did in Labour's "disastrous" result in 2019.
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Labour, of course won a landslide victory.

But don’t forget they only won 33.7% of the vote share.

That’s hardly an endorsement by the whole country.

So when they say, the country voted for change, you could argue, that’s not true. If it were then >= 50.1% would have voted for them.

A vote share of 33.7% would not be enough to win a parliamentary vote on any topic or send the country to war.

Basically, the country, did not vote for a Labour government. In comparison, the country, did vote to leave the EU by achieving >= 50% of the vote share.

50% is far greater than 33.7%
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:17 pm
Labour, of course won a landslide victory.

But don’t forget they only won 33.7% of the vote share.

That’s hardly an endorsement by the whole country.

So when they say, the country voted for change, you could argue, that’s not true. If it were then >= 50.1% would have voted for them.

A vote share of 33.7% would not be enough to win a parliamentary vote on any topic or send the country to war.

Basically, the country, did not vote for a Labour government. In comparison, the country, did vote to leave the EU by achieving >= 50% of the vote share.
We also didn't vote for Truss or Sunak to be Prime Minister
greenmark
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:21 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:17 pm
Labour, of course won a landslide victory.

But don’t forget they only won 33.7% of the vote share.

That’s hardly an endorsement by the whole country.

So when they say, the country voted for change, you could argue, that’s not true. If it were then >= 50.1% would have voted for them.

A vote share of 33.7% would not be enough to win a parliamentary vote on any topic or send the country to war.

Basically, the country, did not vote for a Labour government. In comparison, the country, did vote to leave the EU by achieving >= 50% of the vote share.
We also didn't vote for Truss or Sunak to be Prime Minister
Who's "we"?
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:42 pm
ForFolksSake wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:21 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:17 pm
Labour, of course won a landslide victory.

But don’t forget they only won 33.7% of the vote share.

That’s hardly an endorsement by the whole country.

So when they say, the country voted for change, you could argue, that’s not true. If it were then >= 50.1% would have voted for them.

A vote share of 33.7% would not be enough to win a parliamentary vote on any topic or send the country to war.

Basically, the country, did not vote for a Labour government. In comparison, the country, did vote to leave the EU by achieving >= 50% of the vote share.
We also didn't vote for Truss or Sunak to be Prime Minister
Who's "we"?
The country
greenmark
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:46 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:42 pm
ForFolksSake wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:21 pm

We also didn't vote for Truss or Sunak to be Prime Minister
Who's "we"?
The country
Ok. So basically you voted for people that nobody else voted for?
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greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:51 pm
ForFolksSake wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:46 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:42 pm

Who's "we"?
The country
Ok. So basically you voted for people that nobody else voted for?
No, the country didn't vote for Truss or Sunak to be Prime Minister
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Share of votes in UK elections 1918-2024

Published by D. Clark, Jul 5, 2024
The Labour Party won 33.7 percent of the vote in the 2024 general election, with the Conservative vote share falling to 23.7 percent. Parties outside the three mainstream political parties gained 30.4 percent of the vote, the highest vote share in this time period.
Since 1918 there have been 29 General Elections in the United Kingdom, with the Conservative party winning the highest share of the vote in 19 elections, and the Labour party in ten. The Conservatives recorded their highest share of the vote in 1931 at 60.8 percent, the Labour Party in 1951 at 48.8 percent, and the then Liberal Party in 1923 at 29.6 percent.

So only 1931 did the majority of the country vote for the incoming government. And three referendums.
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