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[ForFolksSake]

good article. thanks for highlighting this (to save anyone else the read, below is a snippet from the article):


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Did you get tired of reading the article ?

nope, i highlighted the official stats that had been gathered and presented them as a digest. picking one part in particular from your extended version:

Another issue is that the ethnicity of the offender is recorded by police officers rather than self-assessed, and uses broad definitions, such as "Asian".

The 2020 Home Office report found this could result in offenders being classed as "Asian" while being from other backgrounds.

It certainly strengthens the case of over attribution for sure.

So is the statement below correct ?.

If he was at all balanced he would have also pointed out that only represents a tiny fraction of the grooming that happens in the UK which is mostly done by white males (even when considered as a %age of population).

[ForFolksSake]

time to give FFS another topic to infuse with his bigotry and downright racist views:

https://theconversation.com/lloyds-of-l ... ery-218448

discuss...

No point in worrying about the past ...

I'm off for a jog up the Regents Canal, round Victoria Park and back - see ya later

Here's something for you to think about

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 26445.html

[jimibt]

So is the statement below correct ?.

If he was at all balanced he would have also pointed out that only represents a tiny fraction of the grooming that happens in the UK which is mostly done by white males (even when considered as a %age of population).

hard to address that as a single yes or no (tho that might be hard to grasp)

in essence, sionscraig was saying that if TR was balanced and didn't want to inflame tensions he would have broken down the issue using a simple set of stats to help put context around what was in essence a report on 3 cases (Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford) There's no escaping the fact that those 3 cases unequivocally involved asian grooming gangs. the larger context is what should always be at the forefront of our minds, otherwise it just becomes a mess, much as you've been trying to create.

[greenmark]

For me the bottom line here is that someone is going to get hurt, beyond the innocent asians attacked in Hull in their BMW and the guy in Belfast who is now in a serious condition in hosptial.
Anyone who has far-right but peaceful views should stay away from any event. You just blur the police view to snag the violent. We know now that the "protest" will be hijacked by extremists , so stay away and voice your opinion democratically. This is like Toxteth and Brixton (sorry Jimibt for not twigging like you did) the difference is this is the extreme right agitating as opposed to the left in the past.
It's ironic that they appear to be complaining about what a right wing govt has created.
And little more than a month in, Labour are having to mop up the mess.

[ForFolksSake]

So is the statement below correct ?.

If he was at all balanced he would have also pointed out that only represents a tiny fraction of the grooming that happens in the UK which is mostly done by white males (even when considered as a %age of population).

hard to address that as a single yes or no (tho that might be hard to grasp)

in essence, sionscraig was saying that if TR was balanced and didn't want to inflame tensions he would have broken down the issue using a simple set of stats to help put context around what was in essence a report on 3 cases (Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford) There's no escaping the fact that those 3 cases unequivocally involved asian grooming gangs. the larger context is what should always be at the forefront of our minds, otherwise it just becomes a mess, much as you've been trying to create.

Seems like Sionscaig is 'loading' the bullets for you to 'fire' them - I thought you were a bit more astute than that jimi

[jimibt]

So is the statement below correct ?.

hard to address that as a single yes or no (tho that might be hard to grasp)

in essence, sionscraig was saying that if TR was balanced and didn't want to inflame tensions he would have broken down the issue using a simple set of stats to help put context around what was in essence a report on 3 cases (Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford) There's no escaping the fact that those 3 cases unequivocally involved asian grooming gangs. the larger context is what should always be at the forefront of our minds, otherwise it just becomes a mess, much as you've been trying to create.

Seems like Sionscaig is 'loading' the bullets for you to 'fire' them - I thought you were a bit more astute than that jimi

thought you were out jogging??

[greenmark]

hard to address that as a single yes or no (tho that might be hard to grasp)

in essence, sionscraig was saying that if TR was balanced and didn't want to inflame tensions he would have broken down the issue using a simple set of stats to help put context around what was in essence a report on 3 cases (Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford) There's no escaping the fact that those 3 cases unequivocally involved asian grooming gangs. the larger context is what should always be at the forefront of our minds, otherwise it just becomes a mess, much as you've been trying to create.

Seems like Sionscaig is 'loading' the bullets for you to 'fire' them - I thought you were a bit more astute than that jimi

thought you were out jogging??

Arse! Beat me to it!

[sionascaig]

So is the statement below correct ?.

If he was at all balanced he would have also pointed out that only represents a tiny fraction of the grooming that happens in the UK which is mostly done by white males (even when considered as a %age of population).

hard to address that as a single yes or no (tho that might be hard to grasp)

in essence, sionscraig was saying that if TR was balanced and didn't want to inflame tensions he would have broken down the issue using a simple set of stats to help put context around what was in essence a report on 3 cases (Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford) There's no escaping the fact that those 3 cases unequivocally involved asian grooming gangs. the larger context is what should always be at the forefront of our minds, otherwise it just becomes a mess, much as you've been trying to create.

I was actually talking about grooming in general...

The stuff FFS refers to is "group" based which the home office themself say the data is completely unreliable to draw ethnicity comparisons / conclusions from, e.g. they have found people classed as "Asian" where they are actually White British or Afghan, didn't bother recording ethnicity (over half of cases) and only looked at specific counties in the investigation, i.e. the ones in the headlines...

As I said above, if you just considered the "church" as a "gang", which it effectively was in terms of moving perpetrators between parishes and covering up crimes, then there would be no question on the "group" related stats.

[Archery1969]

For me the bottom line here is that someone is going to get hurt, beyond the innocent asians attacked in Hull in their BMW and the guy in Belfast who is now in a serious condition in hosptial.
Anyone who has far-right but peaceful views should stay away from any event. You just blur the police view to snag the violent. We know now that the "protest" will be hijacked by extremists , so stay away and voice your opinion democratically. This is like Toxteth and Brixton (sorry Jimibt for not twigging like you did) the difference is this is the extreme right agitating as opposed to the left in the past.
It's ironic that they appear to be complaining about what a right wing govt has created.
And little more than a month in, Labour are having to mop up the mess.

To be fair, many think there is no point arguing democratically as those in power just brand them as racist and ignore. So for some, they believe violence is the answer. Of course that’s not my view.

Yes, you can arrest and lock them up with long sentences. But there is no rehabilitation in the UK prison system. So they will probably come out with the same views and then life of crime or back rioting.

Not in scope but I remember watching a BBC documentary on the prison system in Norway. There it’s 10% punishment and 90% rehabilitation. One of the senior prison officers was female, served 8 years for murder in the same prison she was now working in. Paying tax, flat, partner and two children. Not sure what the family of the victim thought but that’s an interesting insight into that people can change with the right help, support and guidance. Obviously that couldn’t happen in the UK as you can’t become a prison officer if convicted of a serious offence. Interesting though.

[greenmark]

For me the bottom line here is that someone is going to get hurt, beyond the innocent asians attacked in Hull in their BMW and the guy in Belfast who is now in a serious condition in hosptial.
Anyone who has far-right but peaceful views should stay away from any event. You just blur the police view to snag the violent. We know now that the "protest" will be hijacked by extremists , so stay away and voice your opinion democratically. This is like Toxteth and Brixton (sorry Jimibt for not twigging like you did) the difference is this is the extreme right agitating as opposed to the left in the past.
It's ironic that they appear to be complaining about what a right wing govt has created.
And little more than a month in, Labour are having to mop up the mess.

To be fair, many think there is no point arguing democratically as those in power just brand them as racist and ignore. So for some, they believe violence is the answer. Of course that’s not my view.

Yes, you can arrest and lock them up with long sentences. But there is no rehabilitation in the UK prison system. So they will probably come out with the same views and then life of crime or back rioting.

Not in scope but I remember watching a BBC documentary on the prison system in Norway. There it’s 10% punishment and 90% rehabilitation. One of the senior prison officers was female, served 8 years for murder in the same prison she was now working in. Paying tax, flat, partner and two children. Not sure what the family of the victim thought but that’s an interesting insight into that people can change with the right help, support and guidance. Obviously that couldn’t happen in the UK as you can’t become a prison officer if convicted of a serious offence. Interesting though.

+1

[jimibt]

Seems like Sionscaig is 'loading' the bullets for you to 'fire' them - I thought you were a bit more astute than that jimi

thought you were out jogging??

Arse! Beat me to it!

jog on, nothing to see!!

[Archery1969]

Something I didn’t know.

Dartmoor Prison is closed and all inmates removed due to high levels of Radon found.

It’s not clear if it will ever reopen as the Radon is coming from underneath in the rocks and soil.

That’s one less prison available then.

[ForFolksSake]

When you think the world is horrible….

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/5YhvPP ... tid=WC7FNe

aweee. FFS and Michael

Could be sionascaig and yourself

[ForFolksSake]

Something I didn’t know.

Dartmoor Prison is closed and all inmates removed due to high levels of Radon found.

It’s not clear if it will ever reopen as the Radon is coming from underneath in the rocks and soil.

That’s one less prison available then.

Read an article about Radon in Cornwall over ten years ago.

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2015/03/20/fi ... out-radon/

Put me off buying a holiday home there

[Derek27]

Even I'm struggling to keep up with the thread now.