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Kai
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Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:05 pm
I think Tuchel is worth a shot if the FA can get him onboard.

He's been hard done by in a few roles and could be a good tactician for England.
Someone like him would have been my choice, the opposite of a yes-man.

Tactically great on the pitch, but off it from memory clashed with everyone at every club.
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Kai wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:44 pm
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Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:11 pm
Kai wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:55 pm
I agree 10%

But you should stop listening to Roy Keane with his lazy takes
Kai I care about TAA even though he's a millionaire and doesnt give a hoot.
He's naked as a right back. His remit to roam forward is fine in an attacking sense, he's pretty lethal if he has wlling runners to aim at. But if possession is turned over he is useless. He's even useless in defensive set pieces.
Well we're clearly not watching the same games then, not much else to say. I try to see every player touch and challenge, ladders permitting. And I'm used to walking that fine bias line, I'd be one of the first to rip into him if those were indeed facts. He's not a Wan-Bissaka that you can't get past but it's been overblown to stupid levels, resulting in a confidence loss at one point, and ultimately hurting England's chances.

How many key boring England games have you watched recently that were just crying out for a moment of magic.
It's nett contribution. TAA is a positive that can do stuff few can. But surely you must accept he is a terrible right back. I am annoyed with him because he is so talented he must surely see he needs to get smarter about his defending. I shall let you have the last word.
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New England manager announced
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Kai
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Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:01 pm
New England manager announced
It's my fav rapper 🙌
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Archery1969 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:01 pm
New England manager announced
Wow! Tuchel! Prior to the rumours from the last few days I didn't see that coming.

Definitely not a 'yes' man. How will the FA cope?
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For me, this is a massive mistake, rumours were he caused grief at board level, with coaching staff and players in the dressing room, at club level. Looks like this is just an interim appointment with the FA waiting for either Pep or Klopp to show an interest. :roll:
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Klopp took a different job at RB starting in January, I think he's done with managing.

England had some strange appointments post Capello, they've all collectively had 0 trophies behind them? Tuchel burns his bridges but does deliver on the pitch, that's exactly what you would want.

I'll be watching closely, very interesting appointment IMO.
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Euler
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He gets the players playing, so hopefully can bring something fresh to England.
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Capello was the last "hard man" and that badly. But I don't there's any current player that thinks he runs the team so it might be ok.
He is a serial winner so he knows how to do it.
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Turns out the New England Manager has only been given and/or agreed to an 18 month contract from January 2025.

That really doesn’t spell confidence in any direction. Most club managers get 3 year contracts and cut short if need be.

Sounds like the FA are hedging their bets and waiting for someone else….

O wait, isn’t Peps contract up in 18 months, just saying ?
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Archery1969 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:14 pm
Turns out the New England Manager has only been given and/or agreed to an 18 month contract from January 2025.

That really doesn’t spell confidence in any direction. Most club managers get 3 year contracts and cut short if need be.

Sounds like the FA are hedging their bets and waiting for someone else….

O wait, isn’t Peps contract up in 18 months, just saying ?
I would be staggered if Pep takes on England. Kane will be winding down and there is noone to replace him. Also crafting a Pep team in the sporadic format of international football makes no sense to me. And in fact it strikes me Tuchel is the same. Intense, obsessive, flat out day to day projecting his thoughts onto the players. That takes a special person to impose himself during the fleeting international breaks.
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Euler
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Pep won't take a national job as he can't buy the players he needs.
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Euler wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:24 pm
Pep won't take a national job as he can't buy the players he needs.
Pep could, if he tells the FA, clubs give priority to the national team when needed.

There has long been a problem between club and country. More so since the explosion of players wages.

Playing for your country means nothing anymore. Not like the old days when you got £300 per week and £5,000 bonuses on tour. Nowadays, there is no insensitive. Therefore, goto the lower leagues, I’m sure they will be more willing to play as a team etc.
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That still won't make a reliable/international standard/injury-free left back appear out of nowhere Archery! :D

The debate about having an English manager manage England is a 2 sided coin for sure, I had a look and the winner of every World Cup was managed by a man from the same nation. The same is true for the Euro's with the exception of Greece's 2004 win.....managed by a German! :shock:

Club-wise no English manager has lifted the Premier League trophy, Howard Wilkinson won the Division 1 title the year before the Premier League started. The last English managers to win the European Cup/Champions League or UEFA Cup/Europa League were Joe Fagan and Keith Burkenshaw for Liverpool and Spurs in 84.

The main 2 English names I heard thrown about for the job were Eddie Howe and Graham Potter. Eddie Howe won the Championship 10 years ago. Graham Potter won a few things in Sweden, starting off in the 4th division. That sounds to me like the equivalent of the users on this forum having a 5 a side match against the Geekstoy users forum, we'll beat them but we're not gonna nobble PSG on our way to beating Real Madrid to the Champions League title! :lol:

The Venn Diagram of managers who have international winning experience/major title winning experience/English is a bunch of non connecting circles (excluding former managers over 80, or dead.) At least Tuchel has the experience of managing in England before, so he knows the eyes and stress on the job, plus he got a few trophies with Chelsea and seems enthusiastic about taking on the challenge.

The 18mth contract is the ewwww part for me, win World Cup or fuck off basically. I wouldn't be surprised if the England team run out to Lose Yourself by Eminem some games with part of the chorus aimed at Tuchel:

"You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo" :!:
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An excellent appointment imo
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