Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[jamesedwards]

When it comes to trial if that's all true, if he's considered previously law abiding he'll escape prison but will be a criminal. So yes. Politically he's toast.
What a stupid thing to do, without some extraordinary mitigating factor he deserves everythiing he gets.

So why did those charged in the recent 'riots' with no previous record get prison sentences?

These people are ultra far right.

[greenmark]

When it comes to trial if that's all true, if he's considered previously law abiding he'll escape prison but will be a criminal. So yes. Politically he's toast.
What a stupid thing to do, without some extraordinary mitigating factor he deserves everythiing he gets.

So why did those charged in the recent 'riots' with no previous record get prison sentences?

These people are ultra far right.

And what they did was nowt to do with those young people that lost their lives. It was an excuse for good old English summerr hooliganism, stoked by extremists who spot these opportunities to create mayhem using folk that should know better. When the police moved from hands-off containment to active arrests the agitators melted away and left the rest to their fate.

[jamesedwards]

So why did those charged in the recent 'riots' with no previous record get prison sentences?

These people are ultra far right.

And what they did was nowt to do with those young people that lost their lives. It was an excuse for good old English summerr hooliganism, stoked by extremists who spot these opportunities to create mayhem using folk that should know better. When the police moved from hands-off containment to active arrests the agitators melted away and left the rest to their fate.

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

[greenmark]

These people are ultra far right.

And what they did was nowt to do with those young people that lost their lives. It was an excuse for good old English summerr hooliganism, stoked by extremists who spot these opportunities to create mayhem using folk that should know better. When the police moved from hands-off containment to active arrests the agitators melted away and left the rest to their fate.

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

I understand what you mean about Twitter. It seems that malevolent genie is on the loose. There are people using social media as a weapon. Hard to get the punishment proportionate though.

[firlandsfarm]

These people are ultra far right.

"ultra far right" = People who's views I disagree with!

Could you explain/define "ultra far right" please.

[firlandsfarm]

When the police moved from hands-off containment to active arrests the agitators melted away and left the rest to their fate.

Or in the case of the siege on the Birmingham pub the police just melted away. But that was understandable seeing as the aggressors weren't white and labelled "far right" so clearly no crime was being committed!

[firlandsfarm]

These people are ultra far right.

And what they did was nowt to do with those young people that lost their lives. It was an excuse for good old English summerr hooliganism, stoked by extremists who spot these opportunities to create mayhem using folk that should know better. When the police moved from hands-off containment to active arrests the agitators melted away and left the rest to their fate.

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

+1

[sionascaig]

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

Not convinced about that one....

Perfectly reasonable to take into account the harm done and impact on others. A bit more taking responsibility for actions would be good instead of the hiding behind a keyboard.

Some of these people utterly ruin others lives and should be held to account for it.

Prison maybe just for extreme cases... Or bring back the stocks...

[firlandsfarm]

Perfectly reasonable to take into account the harm done and impact on others. A bit more taking responsibility for actions would be good instead of the hiding behind a keyboard.

Some of these people utterly ruin others lives and should be held to account for it.

How about this novel idea ... people take responsibility for their own lives and their own behaviours/actions. All a provocateur can do is suggest an action, they can't force people to do as they say. The final decision is down to you (not you personally sionascaig ). People need to grow up and say "NO, I will not do that".

[sionascaig]

How about this novel idea ... people take responsibility for their own lives and their own behaviours/actions. All a provocateur can do is suggest an action, they can't force people to do as they say. The final decision is down to you (not you personally sionascaig ). People need to grow up and say "NO, I will not do that".

On board with that )

(just a shame there is so much hate out there)

[jamesedwards]

These people are ultra far right.

"ultra far right" = People who's views I disagree with!

Could you explain/define "ultra far right" please.

Tongue was firmly in cheek

[jamesedwards]

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

Not convinced about that one....

Perfectly reasonable to take into account the harm done and impact on others. A bit more taking responsibility for actions would be good instead of the hiding behind a keyboard.

Some of these people utterly ruin others lives and should be held to account for it.

Prison maybe just for extreme cases... Or bring back the stocks...

Absolutely in favour of taking responsibility for actions, including those people hiding behind a keyboard.

But 2.5 years in prison for a nasty tweet?

[jimibt]

Totally happy for people to get sent to prison for looting or criminal damage, but not for verbal abuse or writing something nasty on Twitter.

Not convinced about that one....

Perfectly reasonable to take into account the harm done and impact on others. A bit more taking responsibility for actions would be good instead of the hiding behind a keyboard.

Some of these people utterly ruin others lives and should be held to account for it.

Prison maybe just for extreme cases... Or bring back the stocks...

Absolutely in favour of taking responsibility for actions, including those people hiding behind a keyboard.

But 2.5 years in prison for a nasty tweet?

who knows how each (prison as opposed to keyboard ) sentence is decided. i guess in part, there has to be some sort of overview on the roles and responsibilities of the author as their influence can have a disproportionate affect on the reader..

[firlandsfarm]

These people are ultra far right.

"ultra far right" = People who's views I disagree with!

Could you explain/define "ultra far right" please.

Tongue was firmly in cheek

Sorry, not always easy to tell!

[firlandsfarm]

But 2.5 years in prison for a nasty tweet?

That's what you get for upsetting the Luvvies!