Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[firlandsfarm]

I guess what's going on ...

Unemployment
Inflation
Winter fuel allowance
Farmers
Jobs tax (NHI)
Destroy family firms
Drown entrepreneurial spirit
Boat crossings
Cuts to our forces
New asylum hotels
Rwanda scheme reintroduced in all but name

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

These are down to the corner they painted themselves into by buying votes by promising not to increase taxes to "working people" (well not directly anyway but indirectly seems fine!). I would have preferred to pay extra tax than be faced with what's going on now.

[Michael5482]

Thought Labour were committed to increasing defence spending to 2.5% One minute were letting Ukraine launch missiles into Russia then 10 mins later announce were making cuts to our forces, what a set of incomptent f@cking clowns.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-scrap- ... d-13257285

"The Royal Navy's two amphibious assault ships, HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark. They will be taken out of service at the end of the year - around a decade early in a blow to the ability of the Royal Marines to launch land assaults from the sea"

I been on those amphibious assault vessels with the RM’s more than once, great pieces of kit. Light, fast but yet have high stopping power for incoming rounds. I might sound like a broken record with Labour criticism but I not the only one scratching my head on that policy.

But if they going to get rid of them then give all the equipment to Ukraine to use. Yes they will lose some money rather than auction it all but they doing to save running costs over 5 years. They will still save that and in the meantime further help Ukraine.

I’m still scratching my head on the amphibious ships.

It’s like buying a new car, after 1 year you don’t like the colour, so buy another one. Fine if you can afford too but they supposed to be trying to save money. What a waste in procurement terms.

They might need them if Argentina chances its arm again.

Also, why not wait for the official defence review. I bet that report comes back and says they need more amphibious ships, not none!!!!

The Defence Committee in a 2018 report titled “Sunset for the Royal Marines?” warned that an early disposal of HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark would be “militarily illiterate” and “totally at odds with strategic reality.”

Maybe they can use the dinghy's the illegal immigrants use to invade our island every day at least they're free, bit of diesel in them and the Royal Marines are back in business.

[greenmark]

I guess what's going on ...

Unemployment
Inflation
Winter fuel allowance
Farmers
Jobs tax (NHI)
Destroy family firms
Drown entrepreneurial spirit
Boat crossings
Cuts to our forces
New asylum hotels
Rwanda scheme reintroduced in all but name

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

These are down to the corner they painted themselves into by buying votes by promising not to increase taxes to "working people" (well not directly anyway but indirectly seems fine!). I would have preferred to pay extra tax than be faced with what's going on now.

Unemployment comes and goes.
Inflaton? Truss raised that on her own in 49 days.
Winter Fuel Allowance - yes, a mistake.
Farrmers IHT. Yes a mistake. It may snag some avoiding tax but it will hamper people honestly trying too continue a valued business.
Jobs tax. All govts tinker with these things.
Destroy family firms - Drown entrepreneurial spirit. Not sure what you mean there.
Boat crossings - so there were none under the Tories?
Cuts to our forces - dunno about this one. Some seems to be decommisioning stuff that is decades old.
New asylum hotels - they have to be h.oused somewhere, don't they? You're looking at the symptom not the root cause. The world has s**t places that people are willing to risk everything to escape.

[ForFolksSake]

I guess what's going on ...

Unemployment
Inflation
Winter fuel allowance
Farmers
Jobs tax (NHI)
Destroy family firms
Drown entrepreneurial spirit
Boat crossings
Cuts to our forces
New asylum hotels
Rwanda scheme reintroduced in all but name

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

These are down to the corner they painted themselves into by buying votes by promising not to increase taxes to "working people" (well not directly anyway but indirectly seems fine!). I would have preferred to pay extra tax than be faced with what's going on now.

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

Inheritance tax on Private pensions
VAT on Private school fees

...and stuck with Labour for another 5 years so more of the same

[Michael5482]

I guess what's going on ...

Unemployment
Inflation
Winter fuel allowance
Farmers
Jobs tax (NHI)
Destroy family firms
Drown entrepreneurial spirit
Boat crossings
Cuts to our forces
New asylum hotels
Rwanda scheme reintroduced in all but name

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

These are down to the corner they painted themselves into by buying votes by promising not to increase taxes to "working people" (well not directly anyway but indirectly seems fine!). I would have preferred to pay extra tax than be faced with what's going on now.

Missed child poverty, Labour claimed they'll cut child poverty and one of the 1st things they did was vote to keep the 2 child benefit cap which would have lifted thousands upon thousands of children out of poverty overnight then sent billions abroad. Widely reported that a further 10,000 children have been forced into poverty since Labour took office.

[firlandsfarm]

I guess what's going on ...

Unemployment
Inflation
Winter fuel allowance
Farmers
Jobs tax (NHI)
Destroy family firms
Drown entrepreneurial spirit
Boat crossings
Cuts to our forces
New asylum hotels
Rwanda scheme reintroduced in all but name

... and some I cannot immediately recall (there are too many for my aged memory).

These are down to the corner they painted themselves into by buying votes by promising not to increase taxes to "working people" (well not directly anyway but indirectly seems fine!). I would have preferred to pay extra tax than be faced with what's going on now.

Unemployment comes and goes.
Inflaton? Truss raised that on her own in 49 days.
Winter Fuel Allowance - yes, a mistake.
Farrmers IHT. Yes a mistake. It may snag some avoiding tax but it will hamper people honestly trying too continue a valued business.
Jobs tax. All govts tinker with these things.
Destroy family firms - Drown entrepreneurial spirit. Not sure what you mean there.
Boat crossings - so there were none under the Tories?
Cuts to our forces - dunno about this one. Some seems to be decommisioning stuff that is decades old.
New asylum hotels - they have to be h.oused somewhere, don't they? You're looking at the symptom not the root cause. The world has s**t places that people are willing to risk everything to escape.

Seems like I titled this thread appropriately ... Excuses, excuses, excuses

I agree unemployment comes with Labour and goes with the Conservatives
What's Truss got to do with Inflation rising under this Government?
Yes, the Conservatives tinker it down while Labour tinker it up
They have removed the incentive for a family to start and grow a family business. "One day son all of this will not be yours, Sir Kier made sure of that!"
Ah the modernist approach of it's old therefore it's no good so let's junk it even if we don't have a replacement. Archery has already picked that one up.
Labour said they would get rid of the asylum hotels not open more! They claimed to have a better way of housing them. BTW how many 'gangs' have been smashed?

Now let's add to that list with the 5 farmer suicides in the last 10 days! You must be really proud Sir Keir!

[firlandsfarm]

[Inheritance tax on Private pensions
VAT on Private school fees

...and stuck with Labour for another 5 years

Thanks FFS

[firlandsfarm]

Missed child poverty, Labour claimed they'll cut child poverty and one of the 1st things they did was vote to keep the 2 child benefit cap which would have lifted thousands upon thousands of children out of poverty overnight then sent billions abroad. Widely reported that a further 10,000 children have been forced into poverty since Labour took office.

Yep, got it ... thanks Michael

[sionascaig]

And in the interest of balance lets look at some if the Tories promises over period in government:

Build 300,000 new homes per year FAIL
End rough sleeping FAIL
Ban no-fault evictions FAIL
Build 40 new hospitals over the next 10 years LOL
No new tax rises LOL
Cut NHS waiting lists FAIL
Stop the boats LOL
Cut net migration to 10,000 LOL
End leasehold FAIL
Ending child poverty FAIL
‘Levelling up’ the UK’s regions LOL

They did however manage to set a new record levels of:

- post war tax rates
- public debt
- child poverty
- food parcels delivered by charities
- corruption investigations into the awarding of COVID / Immigration contracts

And wouldn't want to forget about

- the unlawful suspension of parliament (Johnson)
- record number of government ministers resigning due to PM lying to parliament

Also getting a bit old so probably missed A LOT )

[firlandsfarm]

And in the interest of balance lets look at some if the Tories promises over period in government:

Build 300,000 new homes per year FAIL
End rough sleeping FAIL
Ban no-fault evictions FAIL
Build 40 new hospitals over the next 10 years LOL
No new tax rises LOL
Cut NHS waiting lists FAIL
Stop the boats LOL
Cut net migration to 10,000 LOL
End leasehold FAIL
Ending child poverty FAIL
‘Levelling up’ the UK’s regions LOL

They did however manage to set a new record levels of:

- post war tax rates
- public debt
- child poverty
- food parcels delivered by charities
- corruption investigations into the awarding of COVID / Immigration contracts

And wouldn't want to forget about

- the unlawful suspension of parliament (Johnson)
- record number of government ministers resigning due to PM lying to parliament

Also getting a bit old so probably missed A LOT )

In the interest of balance one list took 14 years to compile whereas the other just 5 months! Also the "post war tax rates" record won't last long before it's beaten at Labour's first attempt.

[greenmark]

And in the interest of balance lets look at some if the Tories promises over period in government:

Build 300,000 new homes per year FAIL
End rough sleeping FAIL
Ban no-fault evictions FAIL
Build 40 new hospitals over the next 10 years LOL
No new tax rises LOL
Cut NHS waiting lists FAIL
Stop the boats LOL
Cut net migration to 10,000 LOL
End leasehold FAIL
Ending child poverty FAIL
‘Levelling up’ the UK’s regions LOL

They did however manage to set a new record levels of:

- post war tax rates
- public debt
- child poverty
- food parcels delivered by charities
- corruption investigations into the awarding of COVID / Immigration contracts

And wouldn't want to forget about

- the unlawful suspension of parliament (Johnson)
- record number of government ministers resigning due to PM lying to parliament

Also getting a bit old so probably missed A LOT )

OK I think you win.

+1
5 months in and Tories are whingieng and expecting wonders to be performed.
But I don''t remember a single negative comment during the last 14 years.
Nontheless, labour need to do the right things or I will do my best to kick them out.

The food bank thing is now beginning to drive me bonkers. We now have multibanks for essentials, not just food.
What an appalling indictment of a society.

[sionascaig]

In the interest of balance one list took 14 years to compile whereas the other just 5 months! Also the "post war tax rates" record won't last long before it's beaten at Labour's first attempt.

Correct. But your issues are very much like eating a turd ice-cream & complaining about the sprinkles.

I do however share your concerns...

edit - and no way does that list even scrape the surface of the tory party pysco drama we have all had to endure over that period !

[firlandsfarm]

OK I think you win.

+1
5 months in and Tories are whingieng and expecting wonders to be performed.
But I don''t remember a single negative comment during the last 14 years.
Nontheless, labour need to do the right things or I will do my best to kick them out.

The food bank thing is now beginning to drive me bonkers. We now have multibanks for essentials, not just food.
What an appalling indictment of a society.

I don't see it as winning, it's debating, when the subject is fully aired from both sides.

I'm not whinging, I'm just pointing out where Labour are not living up to their promise nor promises. I guess I was motivated by their sanctimonious attitude of "this will be a doddle, we cruised it in opposition and will continue to show how it should be done in Government"!

And I know many will attack me for this but ... I've often wondered about 'xxxbanks'. From what I hear our local one doesn't seek any proof that someone should be helped, I guess they feel it would be demeaning and even if they tried how would they assess such? I've always been of the view lifestyles should be reviewed before charity is passed their way. I think of my mother. She was a woman from a poor background. She was brought up that you lived a life you could afford, cutting your cloth appropriately. She lived to 99 with only the State Pension for income but managed to save from that for the 'rainy day' and I compare her approach to life with that of those that rely on 'xxxbanks'. I often wonder how many of those relying on the 'xxxbanks' could make changes to their lifestyle and be more self reliant.

[firlandsfarm]

Correct. But your issues are very much like eating a turd ice-cream & complaining about the sprinkles.

I do however share your concerns...

edit - and no way does that list even scrape the surface of the tory party pysco drama we have all had to endure over that period !

I would be more than happy to take the Conservative's record and divide it by 14 years and compare it with Labour's record so far divided by 5 months!

[sionascaig]

The food bank thing is now beginning to drive me bonkers. We now have multibanks for essentials, not just food.
What an appalling indictment of a society.

Yes & when the Trussell group (who issue over 3m food parcels a year) started to report the ever increasing number, certain Tories like Nadine Doris / Rees-Mogg (I think) threatened to have their charitable status removed.

Not all Tories are bad. Just some of them give all of them a bad name...