Late suspensions at UK greyhound racing today

[ShaunWhite]

consistently ruined by weak market management. Will eventually kill the SP markets.

It's the weak markets that's killing dog racing.

It's ages since I saw a dog race but I thought they suspended when the bell rings and the hare starts, at least 5-6s before the traps open for this exact reason?

.. Just watched one, suspended 3s before the bell. Not someone who's seen the start.

[ShaunWhite]

But tbh this isn't much different to a strategy I had, (dogs and weak horses esp aus). Wait till the last knockings, smash the price where you can get a good avg price (money at touch but gaps and not much money below current) and lay it off immediately with anything remaining unmatched at SP. Basically creating your own move while there's no time to revert. But it wouldn't scale, the relatively big SP lay pushed the SP up again too much.

But I'm just a value stealing piece of shit so you'd expect that sort of shinanagins.

[jamesedwards]

But tbh this isn't much different to a strategy I had, (dogs and weak horses esp aus). Wait till the last knockings, smash the price where you can get a good avg price (money at touch but gaps and not much money below current) and lay it off immediately with anything remaining unmatched at SP. Basically creating your own move while there's no time to revert. But it wouldn't scale, the relatively big SP lay pushed the SP up again too much.

But I'm just a value stealing piece of shit so you'd expect that sort of shinanagins.

It used to be quite easy to temporarily move the markets in Aus horse racing. Probably still is. Trouble is you needed to be sat watching every race to judge the last few seconds before off-time and I couldn't make the juice worth the squeeze.

Never thought about trying it on the dogs. No doubt the same problem applies.

[napshnap]

But tbh this isn't much different to a strategy I had, (dogs and weak horses esp aus). Wait till the last knockings, smash the price where you can get a good avg price (money at touch but gaps and not much money below current) and lay it off immediately with anything remaining unmatched at SP. Basically creating your own move while there's no time to revert. But it wouldn't scale, the relatively big SP lay pushed the SP up again too much.

But I'm just a value stealing piece of shit so you'd expect that sort of shinanagins.

Oh Shaun...
"President Franklin D. Roosevelt supposedly remarked in 1939 that "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." "

But you risked there, so your approach is fair.

[Crazyskier]

On the many occasions BF fail to suspend before the off, they usually revert the market to the true 'pre-off' situation, in some cases cancelling perfectly legitimate bets. I myself had such a genuine pre off bet cancelled a few days ago due to the market staying open past the off. I hope they can fix it ASAP.

CS

[jamesedwards]

On the many occasions BF fail to suspend before the off, they usually revert the market to the true 'pre-off' situation, in some cases cancelling perfectly legitimate bets. I myself had such a genuine pre off bet cancelled a few days ago due to the market staying open past the off. I hope they can fix it ASAP.

CS

Was this a UK greyhound market? Do you know how long past true off-time the market was suspended?

[tryingtotrade]

Only seen it at horse racing and greyhound when they completely missed to suspend for the entire race.
Doubt they will resettle especially since been going for a few days now. But even if it's 2-3 seconds late, In a short race the start is a very deciding factor for winning chances of a greyhound...

[ShaunWhite]

Oh Shaun...
"President Franklin D. Roosevelt supposedly remarked in 1939 that "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." "

But you risked there, so your approach is fair.

just messing naps. Tbh what you said did make me laugh, I could feeeeel your annoyance with it.

[ShaunWhite]

you needed to be sat watching every race to judge the last few seconds before off-time and I couldn't make the juice worth the squeeze.

I just ran it from a few secs after the schd start, not optimal but didn't want to watch TV 12hrs a day.
Like you say hard to make it pay so not vfm when it comes to effort.

[Tosin]

Yep. Happening again today. Towcester and Oxford. I guess this is the new era of greyhounds then

[Naffman]

Yep. Happening again today. Towcester and Oxford. I guess this is the new era of greyhounds then

Not being able to watch it but if that’s the case I’ll just shut down my auto on dogs

I have a couple of hefty losses at Newcastle if that’s also mismanaged?

[jamesedwards]

For the Towcester 12:12;

Official off-time was 13:32:00
Betfair suspended the market at 13:32:03.
On Betfair stream the hare was running at 13:32:02 and lids opened at 13:32:09.

So assuming clocks are accurate, it looks to like Betfair suspend on hare running, but as the stream is 9 secs delayed this gives as much as 2-3 secs after lids opening to get bets on.

[jamesedwards]

I'm no expert on greyhound racing, but I'm sure it used to be that you could only watch one race per stream on BFL? Whereas I notice that for SiS tracks it now seems to be one continuous stream that covers all races.

Is this a new change?

If so, then a possible theory could be that this has added some latency to the streams Betfair use to manage the SiS markets?


I've just tested Sky vs SiS:

Newcastle 13:59 (Sky track with dedicated individual stream);
Official off-time was 13:59:31
Betfair suspended the market at 13:59:28.
On Betfair stream the hare was running at 13:59:31 and lids opened at 13:59:44.

vs

Towcester 12:46 (SiS track, covered as part a continuous SiS track stream);
Official off-time was 14:07:45
Betfair suspended the market at 14:07:48.
On Betfair stream the hare was running at 14:07:47 and lids opened at 14:07:55.


Question for anyone who might know: is the official listed off-time 'hare running' or 'lids opened'?

[ShaunWhite]

Question for anyone who might know: is the official listed off-time 'hare running' or 'lids opened'?

Where's Flash when you need him?

[Naffman]

Seems like BF AUS are aware of the issue at least

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