I tried tennis court-siding this week and failed...

[kikiwillmo88]

Hello all,

Thought I'd share this as I've used betangel software.

I was court-siding tennis this week at a wta event. Market traded over a million. However, I lost money.

I was often sending signals before the point had finished (When it was obvious a shot was overhit or was going into the net). However, it still didn't really give enough of an edge for the bet to be placed (Had someone off court placing the bets).

Use some offshore UK bookmakers also with latency on their sportsbook (I'm not uk based). Managed to get very few bets through.

I was able to place some bets live at the court using BetAngel as no one seemed to care. Even though I was easily 3 to 4 seconds ahead of the female umpire pressing the button the edge was still very small or I didn't get matched/skipped.

Not sure if anyone still does this successfully in here (I assume it's still done judging by the amount of money in the markets) and has evolved to purely a numbers game, e.g put massive bets through and take what you can get...

Put it another way I made more trading in the evening from my airbnb then courtsiding. In some ways it was depressing.

Hope this isn't against the rules to discuss. Thought it would be interesting.

[eightbo]

interesting read thanks for sharing your experience

here in melbourne all of these are <30min away from my apartment last year:  rod laver arena, flemington racecourse, Melbourne Cricket Ground, John Cain arena (basketball), multiple afl stadiums

I almost worked for StatsPerform last year as a data scout — they pay you to collect data at live events and it gets sold to bm's and they have global coverage, these are the kind of guys you're up against.

it only takes one person to send the data through to a <10ms VPS and have automation capitalise

I would imagine the edge is purely in finding venues that aren't already covered

[jamesedwards]

I have no knowledge about tennis courtsiding, but given what I know about the cricket industry, there are probably professional courtsiders there placing bets directly into Betfair using direct triggers through a rooted phone.

You're unlikely to beat them by sending signals to a mate back on a PC.

[kikiwillmo88]

I wondered about this.

I actually attempted to do it, but It seemed you needed a betfair API. Was somewhat way above my head.

I was using a rooted phone so certain triggers were sent when pressing volume up to volume down.

When I was actually placing the bets myself at the court side straight into betfair or the bookie I was using it was still very hit and miss.

[eightbo]

Well if you wanted to have a proper crack accurately assessing your speed advantage would naturally be the most important thing.

Need to be accurately logging your personal decision time, outcome (e.g. point to player B)

Then add your total networking delay all up until your bet is received by Betfair, plus the IP bet delay, and compare that to what's happening in the market

With a small stakes test run confirming anything of use then start hitting it hard if you do have that speed advantage. Probably very worthwhile if you're fastest while being accurate even in 1 in 5 points.

Tech side should be easy for something longer term.
Send your outcomes to your own server/PC then import using the BA API
https://www.betangel.com/api-guide/overview.html


But if you are anything like me, i would probably get caught up in trying to make money first time round rather than approaching it this way. If you walked away with this kind of data i would say your trip was not wasted

[kikiwillmo88]

Yes actually got some really good data that went into the spreadsheet and was able to record hit rate.

The edge was most successful with this offshore bookie with latency.

Emotionally, it was just depressing as I had hoped the edge would be bigger, especially on Betfair.

So it would be possible to use the betangel - betfair API to work with my phone directly to place bets at the touch of a button, rather then send signals?

Ive clicked on the guide but I get 'host down'

[jamesedwards]

Yes actually got some really good data that went into the spreadsheet and was able to record hit rate.

The edge was most successful with this offshore bookie with latency.

Emotionally, it was just depressing as I had hoped the edge would be bigger, especially on Betfair.

So it would be possible to use the betangel - betfair API to work with my phone directly to place bets at the touch of a button, rather then send signals?

Ive clicked on the guide but I get 'host down'

You can run Bet Angel in a VPS physically sited local to Betfair servers. Then trigger on that VPS direct from your phone using shortcut keys.

[Big Bad Barney]

I thought the tennis guys were real strict on chasing courtsiders off? My only knowledge of that is a book called Game Set Cash. (Not a bad book, easy read sort of thing). Prob 15 years ago that book talks about. Maybe it's changed since then.

For mine remoting into a VPS would be the easiest set up, but the Pro's would be 10 steps ahead of that even...you'd have to have technical chops, because your edge is based on being first to market. It'd involve cutting latency at every point in between your phone and exchange.

It's fun to think about One day I wanna have a crack at T20 pitchsiding...far off dream atm though!

[jamesedwards]

I thought the tennis guys were real strict on chasing courtsiders off? My only knowledge of that is a book called Game Set Cash. (Not a bad book, easy read sort of thing). Prob 15 years ago that book talks about. Maybe it's changed since then.

Using clickers in your pocket there's no way they can tell, as long as you're careful. I heard there's even someone with a trigger set-up in their shoes and they use their feet.

[ShaunWhite]

Using clickers in your pocket there's no way they can tell, as long as you're careful. I heard there's even someone with a trigger set-up in their shoes and they use their feet.

Shoes are a popular place to stash your tech....

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[jamesedwards]

Using clickers in your pocket there's no way they can tell, as long as you're careful. I heard there's even someone with a trigger set-up in their shoes and they use their feet.

Shoes are a popular place to stash your tech....
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Nobody would ever know...

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