herbie wrote:Which white british are leaving London? the roman white british? The viking white british? The french white british? The polish white british? And why is it relavant?
it's relevant because it illustrates the huge demographic changes that are happening in the UK as the result of mass immigration - a policy that nobody voted for, and that the vast majority continue to oppose.
you might wish to live in a multicultural hell hole, but most of us don't.
In the seventies I was still at school. We had a few west Indians, few Asians, mainly Sikhs and Hindus. The West Indians were basically culturally very similar, the Asians different but there was no big divide as such. Every now and then there would be a bit of grief but nothing major.
Then from about 76 we copped a hella of lot extra Asians, mainly Bangladeshis.
Most housing at the time was council, there was very little private housing even if you wanted to buy one, virtually non existent, so council or nothing.
The council changed their housing policy, and only Bangladeshis got the housing as they were deemed to be in greater need of housing then the rest of the population including West Indians and other Asian groups.
At the same time you had the closure of the London docks, and the warehousing, haulage, and associated trades all obviously disappeared as well. Which left large tracks of land that had previously been used to park/repair lorries empty, and loads of empty warehouse.
The London docklands development corporation were given control of that land and warehouses and hence over saw the building of tons of yuppie flats and er few wine bars, (they also built business premises but not relevant to this topic).
The indigenous population were then faced with a pincer movement. They could not get council housing because they were not a higher enough priority in the eyes of the council, and they could not afford yuppie flats, so they over time they moved out, no choice.
This was compounded by the right to buy council house scheme, people with council houses sold, made a shed load moved out, causing house price to rise, just spiralled away then.
More compounding occurred when the minority of indigenous people who stayed had children who were approaching secondary school age. The primary schools were ok if you children were in either Catholic or Anglican Church schools, no problem. The secondary schools (by about 86ish), a joke. No responsible parent would willingly put their child in one, so they sold up and moved to the better schools.
By about 1990, all of my immediate family (parents, sibling, aunts, uncles, and cousins - bar one stubborn aunt who moved out last year) had all gone, and this is the norm. No one I was at school with, none of my old neighbours, or friends, now live in the east end or east London.
This also happened in south London, and I believe something similar as occurred in many of cities and towns in the uk.
The annoying thing is nobody asked us, and we did not seeing it coming until it was far too late, and these days if you make any comment about it, you are deemed to be a bigoted racist or it’s implied that you are. Feck em
Wow! Fellow Angels - is this the company I am keeping? I am sorry I have not kept up with this thread since I made my earlier post. The trouble with shouting into a well, is that the reply you get comes from the bottom and tends to agree with you.
Let me try to put a different perspective on things.
With reference to Enoch Powell, SuperFrank wrote: "...he just thought it best for society that different cultures stayed different and in their own countries. i'd say the majority of Brits believe the same thing, but are ignored by all mainstream political parties."
With respect - there is no evidence to support this. I agree there exists a vocal minority whose opinion must be heard and addressed but do not believe for one minute that this represents the majority view of modern Britain.
Regarding modern Britain, Herbie is right to ask the question What white British? Even if you do not believe that we are all sons of immigrants then you cannot argue with the fact that we are all natives of the planet Earth.
Have you ever wondered why the educated, cultured and worldly wise tend to hold so called liberal views? Well it's because they are educated, cultured and worldly wise.
I don't want to bat down every argument because the underlying concern is a valid one that must be heard, debated and addressed. So let me leave you with a relevant bit of sporting trivia:
When Kei Kamara from Sierra Leone scored the 84 minute equaliser for Norwich against Everton on Saturday, he became the 88th player of a different nationality to score in the English Premier League. That, my Angels, is something to be proud of and talk about in the pub with your mates.
NileVentures wrote:With respect - there is no evidence to support this. I agree there exists a vocal minority whose opinion must be heard and addressed but do not believe for one minute that this represents the majority view of modern Britain.
Approximately ¾ of British people favour reducing immigration, on most recent surveys and polls.
Large majorities in Britain have been opposed to immigration since at least the 1960s.
NileVentures wrote:Have you ever wondered why the educated, cultured and worldly wise tend to hold so called liberal views? Well it's because they are educated, cultured and worldly wise.
with respect again, that is arrogant nonsense typical of the fascist left who can't tolerate opposition to their fanciful view of the world and dismiss those that do hold a different view (the majority) as uneducated or narrow-minded.
SuperFrank - your quote with reference to Enoch Powell was this: "...he just thought it best for society that different cultures stayed different and in their own countries."
Now, please show me one piece of evidence that "the majority of Brits" (your words) beleive this?
As I said immigration is a legitimate concern and an on going debate. I welcome your views and the opinion of others.
As for the "arrogant nonsense of the fascist left", I will echo your words from the bottom of the well - "uneducated or narrow minded" - the choice is yours.
the evidence you requested is in the link. my explanation of Enoch Powell's view was not the best in hindsight - for example, he did not oppose all immigration, but opposed mass (economic) immigration which is what we've seen since the 60s. he did so because of the effect on society of mixing very different cultures. the 7/7 bombings were evidence of his worse fears coming true.
i'm not even going reply to your last point as it's as arrogant as your original point.
London has always been a city of foreigners, I watched a program on the great fire and many were blaming the Dutch for it to the extent they were taken into a sort of protective custody.
Their descendents are now the 'white British' that have moved to the suburbs. In a 100 years time the desendents of the current migrants will move into the suburbs (or the Moon or wherever the future takes us)
The fact is big cities like London and New York have always been places to migrate to, thats part of what they are.
Whilst I don't doubt Enoch Powells intergrity or intellect the concerns raised have been hijacked by exremist groups (of all ethnicities)to promote an extreme bigoted and racist anti view which I believe most people would reject and history says they should
This makes it virtually impossible to have a sensible discussion about matters of race, migration and how it should be dealt with without being percieved as racist. Some minority groups also use claims of racism every time soemthing doesn't go their way which further erodes the ability to have a balanced discussion on the matter.
NileVentures wrote:
Have you ever wondered why the educated, cultured and worldly wise tend to hold so called liberal views?
It's probably for the same reason that many educated, cultured and worldly wise people 150 years ago were devout Christians who believed in denying women the vote, colonizing foreign lands and caning children.
Most people, even highly intelligent people, don't think for themselves, but run with the herd...
he did so because of the effect on society of mixing very different cultures. the 7/7 bombings were evidence of his worse fears coming true
I object to taking an example of an Islamofascist act as an ethnic propensity not to mix with the general population. The 7/7 happened not because foreigners don't toe the line but because of religion extreminism which is evident in the minority of minority population. There hasn't been any major newsworthy event from hindu, sikhs , buddists etc and muslim don't represent Asians or any other groups.
The whole problem with immigration and assimilation is that people have a habit of picking examples to suit their point rather than having a cool headed discussion and debate.
Quoting Telegraph or The Mail does not help the discussion. In this day and age of connected world where Brits as percentage of population emigrate more, it is double standard to talk about immigration only.
Photon wrote:
The whole problem with immigration and assimilation is that people have a habit of picking examples to suit their point
Quite. I remember debating immigration with Diane Abbott on Twitter. I seem to recall that when I said that immigration could affect social cohesion, she said that her parents didn't affect social cohesion, as if that were somehow a proper argument!
Photon wrote:rather than having a cool headed discussion and debate.
Agreed, and preferably without liberals calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist...
Photon wrote:Quoting Telegraph or The Mail does not help the discussion.
Why not? Would you prefer us to stick to left-leaning sources like the BBC?
Photon wrote:In this day and age of connected world where Brits as percentage of population emigrate more, it is double standard to talk about immigration only.
