Well we all knew he was a cheat on the pitch....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22987229
What a thoroughly dis-honest Messi?
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pdupre1961
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You're a joker, Jimmy Greaves was better than Messi...
Same type of player, but with a better strike rate...and he was honest as well.
Same type of player, but with a better strike rate...and he was honest as well.
'Better strike rate'.
OK, let's see what the stats say.
Jimmy Greaves scored 357 league goals in 517 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... er_id=3056
Lionel Messi has scored 215 league goals in 209 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... r_id=39850
Sorry, but your belief simply isn't supported by the evidence.
Jeff
OK, let's see what the stats say.
Jimmy Greaves scored 357 league goals in 517 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... er_id=3056
Lionel Messi has scored 215 league goals in 209 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... r_id=39850
Sorry, but your belief simply isn't supported by the evidence.
Jeff
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pdupre1961
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Check their records for their country.Ferru123 wrote:'Better strike rate'.
OK, let's see what the stats say.
Jimmy Greaves scored 357 league goals in 517 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... er_id=3056
Lionel Messi has scored 215 league goals in 209 appearances - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... r_id=39850
Sorry, but your belief simply isn't supported by the evidence.
Jeff
Now you're shifting the goalposts by adding another criterion (having realized that you were wrong about the overall strike rate!). 
But on the topic of international goals, Messi has managed 16 goals in 15 games so far in since the start of 2012, which isn't bad going. And let's face it - he's up against a tougher class of opponent than Greaves was. It's like comparing Usian Bolt with whoever was the world 100m champion in the 1960s.
Jeff
But on the topic of international goals, Messi has managed 16 goals in 15 games so far in since the start of 2012, which isn't bad going. And let's face it - he's up against a tougher class of opponent than Greaves was. It's like comparing Usian Bolt with whoever was the world 100m champion in the 1960s.
Jeff
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pdupre1961
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That's rubbish for starters. He's playing against muppets.Ferru123 wrote:Messi has managed 16 goals in 15 games so far in since the start of 2012, which isn't bad going. And let's face it - he's up against a tougher class of opponent than Greaves was.
Jeff
The last season in Chelsea youth team Jimmy Greaves scored on average 3 goals per game...against muppets yes, but now we're comparing like with like.
Last year, he put a hat trick away against Brazil and scored two against Uruguay. I think it's fair to say that they are stronger teams than any faced by Greaves in his Chelsea youth days! 
And what is indisputable is that Messi's league goals were scored against much stronger opponents than Greaves' league goals. Not a single world athletics record from the 1960s is still standing (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... _athletics). What makes you think that football has been immune from this improvement of sporting standards since the era of Greaves?
What you're doing is a bit like saying that John Pullman is an all-time great snooker player because he won the world championship for so many years running in the 1960s, when the fact is that he would be destroyed by anyone in the world top 10 today. Similarly, a 25 year old John McEnroe would be destroyed by any of today's top tennis players, great as he was by the standards of his day.
Jeff
And what is indisputable is that Messi's league goals were scored against much stronger opponents than Greaves' league goals. Not a single world athletics record from the 1960s is still standing (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... _athletics). What makes you think that football has been immune from this improvement of sporting standards since the era of Greaves?
What you're doing is a bit like saying that John Pullman is an all-time great snooker player because he won the world championship for so many years running in the 1960s, when the fact is that he would be destroyed by anyone in the world top 10 today. Similarly, a 25 year old John McEnroe would be destroyed by any of today's top tennis players, great as he was by the standards of his day.
Jeff
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pdupre1961
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Obviously, Neymar is the best currently. Highest skill level and scores truly great goals...Consty1 wrote:pdupre, who in your opinion is the current best player in the world out of interest?
Obviously indeed...
The same can be said for a number of players, including Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie, Suarez, Chicarito and Gareth Bale, to name just a few.
Also, we don't know yet how he'll fare in European football.
Jeff
The same can be said for a number of players, including Messi, Ronaldo, Van Persie, Suarez, Chicarito and Gareth Bale, to name just a few.
Also, we don't know yet how he'll fare in European football.
Jeff
pdupre1961 wrote:
Obviously, Neymar is the best currently. Highest skill level and scores truly great goals...
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pdupre1961
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Suarez and van Persie are top class. Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are over hyped. Chicarito, well barely average.
Chicarito's goals per minute is the best in the Premiership.pdupre1961 wrote: Chicarito, well barely average.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/fea ... 199022?p=9
Not bad for someone who's barely average!
How many moons do you see when you look out of the window at night?
Jeff
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pdupre1961
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Yeah, but he's only a bit player - he only comes on when the other team are tired, here is the real list of top scorers.Ferru123 wrote: Chicarito's goals per minute is the best in the Premiership.
Jeff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/pre ... op-scorers
Notice Suarez and van Persie are the top two....