Dallas : How can you track wins/losses of a strategy

[Derek27]

Euler made a thoughtful post that makes sense

I have said it before - I think of things a certain way because my mind is taught to think that way - it can be hard for people who do not have the same experience to have the same process.

As far as students go - I already had someone PM me here - saying what is said so many times - that they tried everything and just cannot get anything to work .... would I help them.

I just said that I did not really want to do that - because that is not why I came here. (paid student)

I came here to take some of the things provided and counter them with a slightly different approach and get them to 1,000 a day - and then throw in some of my work that I have been doing for years.

Now I may have rubbed some people the wrong way - but look at some of the destructive comments these people are making - rather than sit back and relax - at every turn they are insulting and for some reason think they are gods gift to the forum.

Euler mentioned he liked that sort of thing - no problem - but this pushes posters away from expressing their true opinion - and in my case - I am not going to waste my time putting up with the comments from people who may know their own work -- but I do not see a single thread from any one of them - where they actually try to express an idea and build on it to give some assistance.

Like I said my opinions/process are my own - I do not go into other threads and speak badly about people - or make people feel like they know nothing - or purely offer generic advice that is of no value -- if I have something to add I do - but otherwise say nothing.

Personally my own feeling even though many do not see it - is it is very hostile and non friendly - and if you offer anything away from the ordinary - it feels like you are personally attacked at every corner by people taking comments out of context.

So for me it is just enough - I hope some of the posters reflect upon how they treat new members - you do not have to agree with every single word written in the forum - because it can be the case there are other people who know more than you do.

OK no point going on and on over the same thing - yeah I am just not inclined to write here anymore - that is just my feeling - the forum is just to hostile.

Good luck with your strategies.

Please read this post instead of just looking at the username of the poster and deciding you don't like it.

If anyone has been rude, offensive or confrontational to you, including me, just quote the offending text and then we'll all understand what you're talking about. You may even get an apology. Even I'll consider apologising if you just quote the text.

I hate to tell you this, but being PMed and offered money for tuition doesn't mean you're an advance trader. I've been offered money to teach sports I know nothing about, and I'm sure many on here have the same experience.

I have said it before - I think of things a certain way because my mind is taught to think that way - it can be hard for people who do not have the same experience to have the same process.

Absolutely everybody thinks in a certain way. Nobody has the same experience and nobody has the same process. We're all different and trade in different ways.

The real problem here is that you're blowing your own trumpet. Instead of telling the forum how good your advice is, just give advice and let other forumites say how good it is. That's the way a forum, and indeed life itself works.

[Derek27]

just one more thing: I just want to look at what I did here :

Joined forum

read through the threads - found some templates that people said do not work for them - they are losing money with them - cannot get it to work

All Dallas's templates work perfectly, the problem is, some people don't understand what they're intended to do. They are examples to assist users to create their own bots. It's a head start.

So I took those - made some modifications - hooked into my database and updated the conditions and filters

Got dog dutching to $500 - got horse dutching to $500 a day - $1000 a day total in about 8 days

then I suggested people download the form template - because I already modified that -- to get a head start on the next one -- and then all of this negativity starting coming up left right and center.

This is purely a question to clarify the situation. It's not in any way confrontational or disagreeable. Did you post your modification to the forum or were you suggesting that people download what was on the forum anyway?

[NotBothered]

No Derek - I asked people not familiar with that thread/template to download it and get used to it .. because there is no point me launching into a whole customization thing - if no-one understands what it does and the values you can access - which as you know most people do not and it is not easy to follow for many people.

I had modified mine and was betting with it - because I had to get it to $1,000 a day as well - and I had only seen that thread a week earlier -- so building form automation was going to take a few weeks.

Of course I already have other versions - but not built using that template.

Anyway like I said - I am not continuing with any more things - it is not worth my time - I am going to wait for other people to post their versions - and I will just observe not participate.

[Derek27]

No Derek - I asked people not familiar with that thread/template to download it and get used to it .. because there is no point me launching into a whole customization thing

So your essential advice is to download Dallas's templates, which people do anyway.

if no-one understands what it does and the values you can access - which as you know most people do not and it is not easy to follow for many people.

In this world there are two kinds of people, my friend. Those who read the Bet Angel manual, and those who don't! I've absolutely no idea what the ratio is but people who read it will have a clear understanding of all the rules, conditions, SVs, etc. either by reading the manual or asking questions on this forum and having them quickly answered by more experienced users. Those that can't be arsed can't be helped. You don't need a science degree to understand BA so I wouldn't assume most people don't understand a rule file or can't follow it.

If you understand what a rule file does and what values you can access, you're not an exception, everybody understands it!

I had modified mine and was betting with it - because I had to get it to $1,000 a day as well - and I had only seen that thread a week earlier -- so building form automation was going to take a few weeks.

Of course I already have other versions - but not built using that template.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of Dallas's templates. I've built all my bots from scratch, but I found his examples valuable when I was learning BA. People with a coding background can easily learn BA and create rules files and Excel/VBA bots. Others (including the aforementioned) may find it easier to use a template and expand on it.

I'm really sorry NotBothered, but what you're advising is more or less what forumites are doing anyway!

Anyway like I said - I am not continuing with any more things - it is not worth my time - I am going to wait for other people to post their versions - and I will just observe not participate.

It's a bit rich waiting for others to post their "versions" when you haven't posted yours!

But that's not what the forum is about. It's for trading discussion, opinions, trading and automation advice, helping newbies get started and guided, etc. Nobody here shares their automation files. You should understand that as you yourself aren't willing to do that either!

[NotBothered]

again Derek you have misquoted me

I said if you want to look ahead download the file and I will get to the modifications when I have completed stage 1 which was 1,000 a day from dutching

anyway it is pointless - you go round and round in circles - some days it is funny - some days it is a waste of time.

[Anbell]

I said if you want to look ahead download the file and I will get to the modifications when I have completed stage 1 which was 1,000 a day from dutching

Where did you say this?

[Derek27]

I said if you want to look ahead download the file and I will get to the modifications when I have completed stage 1 which was 1,000 a day from dutching

Where did you say this?

If you get a meaningful answer I'll eat my hat, give up trading, drinking, etc.

[Derek27]

again Derek you have misquoted me

I said if you want to look ahead download the file and I will get to the modifications when I have completed stage 1 which was 1,000 a day from dutching

anyway it is pointless - you go round and round in circles - some days it is funny - some days it is a waste of time.

Can you actually quote the text of my misquote?

If you can't, fuck off! I'm not wasting any more time on you.

You need to understand you have dreadful communication skills. I've explained to you previously how to use the quote button. Another member has advised you to use it. If you can't even manage simple forum software like this I can't imagine how your students, if they exist, get any meaningful information out of you.

If you want to preach to people you can set up a website or create a YouTube channel and switch comments off so nobody can disagree, complain or confront your views. Forums are for conversing with other people, which involves responding to questions.

[NotBothered]

"if you want to get a start on form automation - download Dallas's Form Template last 3 starts and then it will need to be customized from there

but I am not going to start going though this one till later - as there is quite a few targets to hit first."


pretty simple to me - states the obvious

I am not going to engage with you Derek anymore - because you cannot grasp even simple things -- all you see is your own thought process - you keep taking things out of context and then saying oh it means this.

that is not the case.

I mentioned twice I was not doing the form modifications until I hit the dutching targets - but with the way you are why would I even bother posting modifications and show you how to use Punting Form integration to make it work.

Said it many times - from my perspective and plenty of people will agree with me on this -- this forum offers such limited value - because hardly anyone offers any answers.

There is one thing that comes up all the time -- people say you provide the tools but no guidance it is up to you .... if you provide something for free - then it is easy to say that - this is provided at your own risk etc - like you see with many free software products -- but when people spend their money they expect to have some guidance as to what to do and how to get there .. that is the difference.

Many peoples approach seems to be - well if I do not understand it - it could not possibly work - ok that is your opinion : but the reality is I took very simple templates and took them from $20 to $50 to $1000 a day in a few weeks - because that is what I can do.

Someone like me who at least wants to show people what can be done - just loses all interest because of this constant -- show me - prove to me - your wrong - quote this - quote that ... to me when I come here - it is just not a pleasant experience seeing this all the time.

Plus this constant quoting of things out of context - if something is not written the way you want - oh that is wrong -- or you want to feel free to joke about every single thing -- but the moment I correct you - oh I did not mean it - that was a joke.

The best thing would be if you started your own thread and simply wrote your own ideas there - than come into peoples threads - and really add absolutely nothing to them.

[sniffer66]

Ok, I'll wade in

I'm trying to understand your strategy here. So, you have a selection method that picks x number of runners to dutch in a race (could be any number of runners). That method is ev+, but you are trying to reduce losing runs by doing y, therefore increasing profit.

So "y", is when you are hitting a loser your entries are paused until...what ? Are you using the outcomes of the missed races to predict when to start entering again ? Are you looking for a dip below your SR% and hoping it's going to return to mean ? Or do you have backtest data on the previous max consecutive losses ? Or something else ?

I'm still with the other guys on zero correlation between each race outcome, so cannot see how the above could work (if that's what you are doing), but curious what your methodology is.

Ok, so discussion aside, I think this was a reasonable question from me previously. How about we start on that, rather than endless bouts of "he said, then you said"

[Derek27]

"if you want to get a start on form automation - download Dallas's Form Template last 3 starts and then it will need to be customized from there

but I am not going to start going though this one till later - as there is quite a few targets to hit first."


pretty simple to me - states the obvious

I am not going to engage with you Derek anymore - because you cannot grasp even simple things -- all you see is your own thought process - you keep taking things out of context and then saying oh it means this.

that is not the case.

I mentioned twice I was not doing the form modifications until I hit the dutching targets - but with the way you are why would I even bother posting modifications and show you how to use Punting Form integration to make it work.

Said it many times - from my perspective and plenty of people will agree with me on this -- this forum offers such limited value - because hardly anyone offers any answers.

There is one thing that comes up all the time -- people say you provide the tools but no guidance it is up to you .... if you provide something for free - then it is easy to say that - this is provided at your own risk etc - like you see with many free software products -- but when people spend their money they expect to have some guidance as to what to do and how to get there .. that is the difference.

Many peoples approach seems to be - well if I do not understand it - it could not possibly work - ok that is your opinion : but the reality is I took very simple templates and took them from $20 to $50 to $1000 a day in a few weeks - because that is what I can do.

Someone like me who at least wants to show people what can be done - just loses all interest because of this constant -- show me - prove to me - your wrong - quote this - quote that ... to me when I come here - it is just not a pleasant experience seeing this all the time.

Plus this constant quoting of things out of context - if something is not written the way you want - oh that is wrong -- or you want to feel free to joke about every single thing -- but the moment I correct you - oh I did not mean it - that was a joke.

The best thing would be if you started your own thread and simply wrote your own ideas there - than come into peoples threads - and really add absolutely nothing to them.

You never did engage with me. I don't even know what you mean by "form modifications". Do you mean modifying Dallas's template file?

The reason we ask you to quote people is because nobody has a clue what you're talking about or who you're replying to. At least when I quote you you know what I'm replying to!

[jimibt]

"if you want to get a start on form automation - download Dallas's Form Template last 3 starts and then it will need to be customized from there

but I am not going to start going though this one till later - as there is quite a few targets to hit first."


pretty simple to me - states the obvious

I am not going to engage with you Derek anymore - because you cannot grasp even simple things -- all you see is your own thought process - you keep taking things out of context and then saying oh it means this.

that is not the case.

I mentioned twice I was not doing the form modifications until I hit the dutching targets - but with the way you are why would I even bother posting modifications and show you how to use Punting Form integration to make it work.

Said it many times - from my perspective and plenty of people will agree with me on this -- this forum offers such limited value - because hardly anyone offers any answers.

There is one thing that comes up all the time -- people say you provide the tools but no guidance it is up to you .... if you provide something for free - then it is easy to say that - this is provided at your own risk etc - like you see with many free software products -- but when people spend their money they expect to have some guidance as to what to do and how to get there .. that is the difference.

Many peoples approach seems to be - well if I do not understand it - it could not possibly work - ok that is your opinion : but the reality is I took very simple templates and took them from $20 to $50 to $1000 a day in a few weeks - because that is what I can do.

Someone like me who at least wants to show people what can be done - just loses all interest because of this constant -- show me - prove to me - your wrong - quote this - quote that ... to me when I come here - it is just not a pleasant experience seeing this all the time.

Plus this constant quoting of things out of context - if something is not written the way you want - oh that is wrong -- or you want to feel free to joke about every single thing -- but the moment I correct you - oh I did not mean it - that was a joke.

The best thing would be if you started your own thread and simply wrote your own ideas there - than come into peoples threads - and really add absolutely nothing to them.

You never did engage with me. I don't even know what you mean by "form modifications". Do you mean modifying Dallas's template file?

The reason we ask you to quote people is because nobody has a clue what you're talking about or who you're replying to. At least when I quote you you know what I'm replying to!

derek - i will not engage with you on this. i feel that you quoted me because you took me out of context. it's easy to coz when you do it can happen. all the forum agrees - i have many PM's. i said it in the form. but still you can't see my brain.

[Anbell]

I said if you want to look ahead download the file and I will get to the modifications when I have completed stage 1 which was 1,000 a day from dutching

Where did you say this?

"if you want to get a start on form automation - download Dallas's Form Template last 3 starts and then it will need to be customized from there

but I am not going to start going though this one till later - as there is quite a few targets to hit first."


pretty simple to me - states the obvious

It might state the obvious, but it didnt mention Stage 1, or $1000.

[NotBothered]

"so the 1st goal - will be to get the one that is at $83 - to be $300 a day

and that would not be hard as the stake is very low right now - but it is more how well the wins/losses stack up over 2 weeks and not 1 day

+ then for the whole project for greyhounds and horse racing dutching to be $1000-$1500 a day."


I do not know about you but this is pretty obvious that the goals are $300 a day then $1000 a day to me

then as stated once I hit that we would move into Form modifications etc etc --- if you wanted to look ahead download the template and get a head start.

All this stuff is already written and posted -- but there is no chance I even bother doing the modifications and punting form integration now ... it is the same thing over and over again.

[NotBothered]

Derek is his own person - he needs things his way to follow along -- if it is not in that order - he struggles to comprehend.

many of the things he talks about are already done -- but he tends to get mixed up and quote things out of context

this is fine - but it is not for me - I do not have the time to sit around and line everything up in the way he wants it.

Everyone is different I get it - so my choice now - is to not waste my time here posting things.

Lastly if anyone doubts - just how confused many forum members are here in terms of how to deal with things and get them working -- then you are mistaken -- this forum cannot be for 10 people - it needs to be for everyone.

People like to flame me for the smallest thing - or something they did not follow - fine go ahead - but you simply picking on the wrong person.