The Situation Room

[greenmark]

I'm not supporting their actions what I'm saying is jailing everyone left right and centre has further consequences, it won't work and is proven not to work and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentlty addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

I'm not supporting their actions

If we are not supporting/defending their actions we might as well give up and the Government has won.
The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

You need co-ordinated, organised protests in every town and every city. The problem is there's no one central organisation pushing the fundamental message it's all to fractured and possibly lost in the violence.

Yes the Governments are to blame Labour for allowing freedom of movement without the country's authority, the Tory's for not reversing it and indeed making it worse and now Starmer for calling everyone a far right racist while still not addressing the elephant in the room which is mass immigration.

Starmer can start to end all this now by sending everyone in hotels back to France or their native country and anyone coming here in a boat will be sent back to France.

But they won't accept them. And don't have to. And even supposing you could send them back from whence they came. They left for a reason, no?
Are we so uncivilised now that we won't weigh whether somone's claim for asylum is valid?
As I've said before I don't think France deports anyone other than criminals. They allow them to remain but they have no legal right to work or access to any services. They are thus thrust into an underworld of nasty people and are lucky if they find enough work/charity to sustain them. The alternative is the Channel and the UK or criminality. They are at the end of their tethers. They have very limited choices. I'm pretty certain a group of nutters outside is small beer compared to what they've experienced before.

[Derek27]

The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

In case you're not aware, the government has recently changed. Are you talking about the one that's been in power for a month, or the one that's run the country for 14 years?

Both, they are as bad as each other when it comes to dealing with illegal immigration

You mean the Tories were crap and you think Labour will be the same. You can't say they're as bad because they've only been in a month.

[Derek27]

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

We're not talking about people who got "a bit carried away" or pushing wheelie bins over. We're talking about throwing bricks, which could potentially land on somebody's head and cause serious brain damage, setting fire to buildings with people inside, mindlessly smashing windows and vandalising cars. You may feel differently if it was your car or house!

I'm afraid paying tax is not a licence to commit crime or a get out of jail card.

Were talking about all crimes here what I'm saying here is all the offences don't deserve jail and see absolutely no value in it nor making fun of it because there is none in. The builder you talk of kicked a riot shield onto a police officers leg and a bit of verbals jail for that is a bit OTT but throwing bricks, setting fire property then yes jail.

Some crimes a more are less serious than others but the Government is intent on treating them all the same and that's a dangerous president to set, when this is over people will expect jail for everything and people may champion that but for the reason's I've highlighted jail does not work. I think a lot won't get jail tbh the sentencing guidelines will dictate that not the Government. I see the judge in the builders case has asked for a pre-sentencing report so they'll be mitigating factors, this will be the case in most.

For a Socialist Government they seem to be spouting rather totalitarian rhetoric at the moment. Starmer is backing himself into a corner here and alienating himself form people on both sides whatever your opinion is. NI looks like a powder keg as well.

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

[Euler]

I'm finding it ironic that a few weeks ago the jails were bursting and the criminal justice system was a shambles.

Suddenly it's easy to get people in court and jailed.

[Archery1969]

I'm finding it ironic that a few weeks ago the jails were bursting and the criminal justice system was a shambles.

Suddenly it's easy to get people in court and jailed.

They found an unused young offenders prison, which can house 500. But it needs some converting.

[ForFolksSake]

We're not talking about people who got "a bit carried away" or pushing wheelie bins over. We're talking about throwing bricks, which could potentially land on somebody's head and cause serious brain damage, setting fire to buildings with people inside, mindlessly smashing windows and vandalising cars. You may feel differently if it was your car or house!

I'm afraid paying tax is not a licence to commit crime or a get out of jail card.

Were talking about all crimes here what I'm saying here is all the offences don't deserve jail and see absolutely no value in it nor making fun of it because there is none in. The builder you talk of kicked a riot shield onto a police officers leg and a bit of verbals jail for that is a bit OTT but throwing bricks, setting fire property then yes jail.

Some crimes a more are less serious than others but the Government is intent on treating them all the same and that's a dangerous president to set, when this is over people will expect jail for everything and people may champion that but for the reason's I've highlighted jail does not work. I think a lot won't get jail tbh the sentencing guidelines will dictate that not the Government. I see the judge in the builders case has asked for a pre-sentencing report so they'll be mitigating factors, this will be the case in most.

For a Socialist Government they seem to be spouting rather totalitarian rhetoric at the moment. Starmer is backing himself into a corner here and alienating himself form people on both sides whatever your opinion is. NI looks like a powder keg as well.

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers.

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

[greenmark]

Were talking about all crimes here what I'm saying here is all the offences don't deserve jail and see absolutely no value in it nor making fun of it because there is none in. The builder you talk of kicked a riot shield onto a police officers leg and a bit of verbals jail for that is a bit OTT but throwing bricks, setting fire property then yes jail.

Some crimes a more are less serious than others but the Government is intent on treating them all the same and that's a dangerous president to set, when this is over people will expect jail for everything and people may champion that but for the reason's I've highlighted jail does not work. I think a lot won't get jail tbh the sentencing guidelines will dictate that not the Government. I see the judge in the builders case has asked for a pre-sentencing report so they'll be mitigating factors, this will be the case in most.

For a Socialist Government they seem to be spouting rather totalitarian rhetoric at the moment. Starmer is backing himself into a corner here and alienating himself form people on both sides whatever your opinion is. NI looks like a powder keg as well.

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers.

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

Oops keyboard malfunction.
But yes the question is why? Michael has got closest to a coherent argument. Still doesn't justify terrorising mosques, looting and attacking the police.

[ForFolksSake]

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers.

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

Oops keyboard malfunction.
But yes the question is why? Michael has got closest to a coherent argument. Still doesn't justify terrorising mosques, looting and attacking the police.

yes the question is why?

And you've still not answered it in your own words?

[greenmark]

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

Oops keyboard malfunction.
But yes the question is why? Michael has got closest to a coherent argument. Still doesn't justify terrorising mosques, looting and attacking the police.

yes the question is why?

And you've still not answered it in your own words?

I'm not out attacking mosques and causing mayhem. I don't need to explain.
The attack on Muslims is reprehensible. The vandalism is pure hooligansim. The attack on the police is diverting resources from fightng crime.
Giving the far-right an arena is a disgace. How dare those people wear the George Cross and the Union Jack. My Grandfather died fighting fascism. My Dad joined up before conscription was ended. Can you now see how angry I am at this blatant vandalism, looting and "bit of a lark" bricking the police?

[Derek27]

Were talking about all crimes here what I'm saying here is all the offences don't deserve jail and see absolutely no value in it nor making fun of it because there is none in. The builder you talk of kicked a riot shield onto a police officers leg and a bit of verbals jail for that is a bit OTT but throwing bricks, setting fire property then yes jail.

Some crimes a more are less serious than others but the Government is intent on treating them all the same and that's a dangerous president to set, when this is over people will expect jail for everything and people may champion that but for the reason's I've highlighted jail does not work. I think a lot won't get jail tbh the sentencing guidelines will dictate that not the Government. I see the judge in the builders case has asked for a pre-sentencing report so they'll be mitigating factors, this will be the case in most.

For a Socialist Government they seem to be spouting rather totalitarian rhetoric at the moment. Starmer is backing himself into a corner here and alienating himself form people on both sides whatever your opinion is. NI looks like a powder keg as well.

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers.

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

False rumours peddled by xenophobes (which have been proven) and thousands of sheep followers who believe and act upon anything they hear.

The situation would be very different if Labour suddenly decided to welcome absolutely anyone who wants to live in the UK, triggering riots. But the fact that these riots were triggered by a completely unrelated event, could easily have been England being defeated by Spain, shows their argument is empty. They're not able to put forward a case without three girls being stabbed, so they can falsely blame a migrant for it!

[greenmark]

Still not that bothered about this idiocy. Nice comfy temperatures. No rain. All a bit of a lark.
What happens when the riot squad turn up with tear gas, tasers, snatch squads and water cannon?
But in any case. The rioters are al over social media. How thick do you have to be broadcast your incitement?

[Derek27]

I'm finding it ironic that a few weeks ago the jails were bursting and the criminal justice system was a shambles.

Suddenly it's easy to get people in court and jailed.

I heard last night they freed up 567 places. They may have let out the shoplifters to make room for rioters, or they could have let out prisoners whose release day was imminent. Either way, if somebody requires a cell for a few years while an inmate, even a murder, is going to be let out in three months, you may as well let him out.

[ForFolksSake]

Firstly, the guy I was talking about hasn't been sentenced yet - I've just heard another guy has got three years today ( ). You don't know what the builder's gonna get so you can't say the government is treating them all the same. The government doesn't even have a say in the punishment, it will be handed down by judges who are working off guidelines and have full discretion.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers. He deserves everything he gets, and I hope he gets sent to prison and suffers as much as the frightened hotel residents (not necessarily migrants, not that it matters) who were trapped in a building that was being set on fire.

Secondly, that wanker kicked the policeman's shield while others were throwing bricks at them, so he's fully complicit and effectively working in a team with the brick throwers.

So what do you think is the reason for all this trouble happening ?
Ask yourself that question

False rumours peddled by xenophobes (which have been proven) and thousands of sheep followers who believe and act upon anything they hear.

The situation would be very different if Labour suddenly decided to welcome absolutely anyone who wants to live in the UK, triggering riots. But the fact that these riots were triggered by a completely unrelated event, could easily have been England being defeated by Spain, shows their argument is empty. They're not able to put forward a case without three girls being stabbed, so they can falsely blame a migrant for it!

False rumours

So all the illegal immigrant boats coming across the English Channel day after day is false rumours ?

[Derek27]

False rumours

So all the illegal immigrant boats coming across the English Channel day after day is false rumours ?

Haven't a clue what you're talking about. I said false rumours. If you don't know what rumours I'm talking about, you should ask instead of inventing them.

[ForFolksSake]

False rumours

So all the illegal immigrant boats coming across the English Channel day after day is false rumours ?

Haven't a clue what you're talking about. I said false rumours. If you don't know what rumours I'm talking about, you should ask instead of inventing them.

Haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Illegal Immigration. What are you talking about ?