The Situation Room

[Michael5482]

You mean the army of police officers or real Armed Forces ?

The real armed forces. No disrespect to the police, but they are outnumbered, overstretched, don't have the tools or resources (don't know why they don't even have a supply of tasers), and clearly aren't able to maintain order.

To police a civilised society, you need one police officer to every thousand civilians. To police a restless society that's out of control, you need one in fifty!

ok, i did post a long thread, stating the reasons why it wont happen unless its a supporting role to protect buildings while the police arrest everyone. The police cant protect buildings and at the same time try and arrest people.

If you mean the Armed Forces taking control and getting into punch-ups or using live rounds then that will never happen.

The last time the Army went up against people rioting was 1908. 600 soldiers on horse back, with long swords cut down 200 people. It wasn't a good look back then and it wouldn't be now for the UK in this century.

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

[Derek27]

Plenty of anti-fascists on the streets tonight.

[Archery1969]

The real armed forces. No disrespect to the police, but they are outnumbered, overstretched, don't have the tools or resources (don't know why they don't even have a supply of tasers), and clearly aren't able to maintain order.

To police a civilised society, you need one police officer to every thousand civilians. To police a restless society that's out of control, you need one in fifty!

ok, i did post a long thread, stating the reasons why it wont happen unless its a supporting role to protect buildings while the police arrest everyone. The police cant protect buildings and at the same time try and arrest people.

If you mean the Armed Forces taking control and getting into punch-ups or using live rounds then that will never happen.

The last time the Army went up against people rioting was 1908. 600 soldiers on horse back, with long swords cut down 200 people. It wasn't a good look back then and it wouldn't be now for the UK in this century.

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

In my opinion, the army should be deployed in a support role. Surrounding and protecting buildings, mosques etc. while the police deal with the rioters. If the rioters break through police lines and become a serious threat to what the army is protecting then soldiers issued a standing order. Put them down. If a soldier thinks his life is in danger then he is authorised by the Home Secretary to use live rounds.

[Derek27]

ok, i did post a long thread, stating the reasons why it wont happen unless its a supporting role to protect buildings while the police arrest everyone. The police cant protect buildings and at the same time try and arrest people.

If you mean the Armed Forces taking control and getting into punch-ups or using live rounds then that will never happen.

The last time the Army went up against people rioting was 1908. 600 soldiers on horse back, with long swords cut down 200 people. It wasn't a good look back then and it wouldn't be now for the UK in this century.

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

In my opinion, the army should be deployed in a support role. Surrounding and protecting buildings, mosques etc. while the police deal with the rioters. If the rioters break through police lines and become a serious threat to what the army is protecting then soldiers issued a standing order. Put them down. If a soldier thinks his life is in danger then he is authorised by the Home Secretary to use live rounds.

Yeah, that sounds like a sensible deployment. Just have to hope a few break through and have their brains blown into the air.

[Archery1969]

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

In my opinion, the army should be deployed in a support role. Surrounding and protecting buildings, mosques etc. while the police deal with the rioters. If the rioters break through police lines and become a serious threat to what the army is protecting then soldiers issued a standing order. Put them down. If a soldier thinks his life is in danger then he is authorised by the Home Secretary to use live rounds.

Yeah, that sounds like a sensible deployment. Just have to hope a few break through and have their brains blown into the air.

Problem is Derek only takes one young soldier to panic, flicks his rifle switch from semi-auto to fully auto and it will look like something out of a First Blood movie.

[Michael5482]

ok, i did post a long thread, stating the reasons why it wont happen unless its a supporting role to protect buildings while the police arrest everyone. The police cant protect buildings and at the same time try and arrest people.

If you mean the Armed Forces taking control and getting into punch-ups or using live rounds then that will never happen.

The last time the Army went up against people rioting was 1908. 600 soldiers on horse back, with long swords cut down 200 people. It wasn't a good look back then and it wouldn't be now for the UK in this century.

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

In my opinion, the army should be deployed in a support role. Surrounding and protecting buildings, mosques etc. while the police deal with the rioters. If the rioters break through police lines and become a serious threat to what the army is protecting then soldiers issued a standing order. Put them down. If a soldier thinks his life is in danger then he is authorised by the Home Secretary to use live rounds.

Might need them to get Muslims under control, looks like the police are looking for far right protests stood about like lemons with no one there and armed Muslims with bats and swords now running through a few town and city centres as I type.

I don't even have social media my lass showing me it all on live feeds nothing on mainstream news though we don't want to upset Muslims or lock them up

[Archery1969]

Cheers I went back and read the post, I was just typing what would be the Army's role on the street be and what powers would they have as I've seen a clamour for them but no one has explained what they want them to do and do they have the powers to do what they want them to do. I didn't have a clue and doubted if they could arrest anyone and if someone was injured unintentionally they'd be hell to pay. I agree employing the Army against its own people is plain silly, it'll just inflame things further and draw resentment to the Armed Forces. After the Troubles the Army on the streets of the UK IS the last thing anyone needs or wants to see.

I'd only want to see the Army on the streets if there we helping in a disaster like flooding or were being invaded.

In my opinion, the army should be deployed in a support role. Surrounding and protecting buildings, mosques etc. while the police deal with the rioters. If the rioters break through police lines and become a serious threat to what the army is protecting then soldiers issued a standing order. Put them down. If a soldier thinks his life is in danger then he is authorised by the Home Secretary to use live rounds.

Might need them to get Muslims under control, looks like the police are looking for far right protests stood about like lemons with no one there and armed Muslims with bats and swords now running through a few town and city centres as I type.

I don't even have social media my lass showing me it all on live feeds nothing on mainstream news though we don't want to upset Muslims or lock them up

Post the links, if true, I will pass them onto the relevant authorities and email to all 600+ MPs etc.

[Archery1969]

My god, poor showing in Brighton, 14 rioters outnumbered by 1200 anti protesters and police.

Pathetic.

[Archery1969]

There is a post, from TR, which the site won’t allow me to copy, saying “Stand down, not today, we regroup, wait, things calm down, then we start again”. It was posted at 2.30pm Cyprus time. It also states each person imprisoned will receive 10,000 euros.

WTF.

As far as I am aware TR doesn’t have that kind of money. So, who is pulling his strings. Putin ?

I wasn’t going to post this but it’s so far fetched, beggars belief.

[jimibt]

There is a post, from TR, which the site won’t allow me to copy, saying “Stand down, not today, we regroup, wait, things calm down, then we start again”. It was posted at 2.30pm Cyprus time. It also states each person imprisoned will receive 10,000 euros.

WTF.

As far as I am aware TR doesn’t have that kind of money. So, who is pulling his strings. Putin ?

I wasn’t going to post this but it’s so far fetched, beggars belief.

who knows.. it does sound like sh!te tbh, but if the general decent folk start to align and counter protest, then it will be a large outnumbering. that said, the good guys will get shat on and abused, so calls for huge restraint..

[edit] as far as i'm aware, he's living off of donations (kinda like a posh giro). also, VERY worth remembering this slip up form TR yesterday. This was when his accountant sacked him and he erroneously posted the screenshot. The intriguing part was the tail end of a chat in april of this year (hilighted in yellow)

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[Archery1969]

There is a post, from TR, which the site won’t allow me to copy, saying “Stand down, not today, we regroup, wait, things calm down, then we start again”. It was posted at 2.30pm Cyprus time. It also states each person imprisoned will receive 10,000 euros.

WTF.

As far as I am aware TR doesn’t have that kind of money. So, who is pulling his strings. Putin ?

I wasn’t going to post this but it’s so far fetched, beggars belief.

who knows.. it does sound like sh!te tbh, but if the general decent folk start to align and counter protest, then it will be a large outnumbering. that said, the good guys will get shat on and abused, so calls for huge restraint..

[edit] as far as i'm aware, he's living off of donations (kinda like posh giro)

I thank him for highlighting what happened in Rotherham but he now sounds like a complete and utter wanker.

Apologies for bad language…

[Archery1969]

Meanwhile, in Vienna, Taylor swift concerts cancelled after 3 arrests over planned attacks.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on and will someone get a grip!!!!!

[jimibt]

Meanwhile, in Vienna, Taylor swift concerts cancelled after 3 arrests over planned attacks.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on and will someone get a grip!!!!!

*children of men*

don't underestimate (and i know you don't) the reach of so called influencers. you only have to look at the reach that andrew tit (not sure how you spell his surname, and didn't want to get that wrong - so approximated!!) had with young men.

we (not you and I) are living in an age where the reassuring warmth and buzz of the reverberant and comforting sounds of your own echo chamber (FFS are oyu listening - boing, boing, boing!!) provide a positive glow in such a way as to believe that you are a part of it, rather than being controlled by it.

not sure where it goes from here as normal face-2-face comms is the missing ingredient here. in tit 80's, we just squared up and shook hands. that wur nuthin, in tit 18 undreds... anyway, you get the point

[greenmark]

Meanwhile, in Vienna, Taylor swift concerts cancelled after 3 arrests over planned attacks.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on and will someone get a grip!!!!!

*children of men*

don't underestimate (and i know you don't) the reach of so called influencers. you only have to look at the reach that andrew tit (not sure how you spell his surname, and didn't want to get that wrong - so approximated!!) had with young men.

we (not you and I) are living in an age where the reassuring warmth and buzz of the reverberant and comforting sounds of your own echo chamber (FFS are oyu listening - boing, boing, boing!!) provide a positive glow in such a way as to believe that you are a part of it, rather than being controlled by it.

not sure where it goes from here as normal face-2-face comms is the missing ingredient here. in tit 80's, we just squared up and shook hands. that wur nuthin, in tit 18 undreds... anyway, you get the point

I have no idea what you did/do as a career. But your eloquence and wit is a joy.

[jimibt]

Meanwhile, in Vienna, Taylor swift concerts cancelled after 3 arrests over planned attacks.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on and will someone get a grip!!!!!

*children of men*

don't underestimate (and i know you don't) the reach of so called influencers. you only have to look at the reach that andrew tit (not sure how you spell his surname, and didn't want to get that wrong - so approximated!!) had with young men.

we (not you and I) are living in an age where the reassuring warmth and buzz of the reverberant and comforting sounds of your own echo chamber (FFS are oyu listening - boing, boing, boing!!) provide a positive glow in such a way as to believe that you are a part of it, rather than being controlled by it.

not sure where it goes from here as normal face-2-face comms is the missing ingredient here. in tit 80's, we just squared up and shook hands. that wur nuthin, in tit 18 undreds... anyway, you get the point

I have no idea what you did/do as a career. But your eloquence and wit is a joy.

cv:

* dropped out of studying architecture after 18 months (see below)
* followed my (then) passion - being a musician. did this for 8 years
* got my wife (then one night stand) pregnant
* panicked and wondered how to make a living
* discovered the (then) cowboy wild west of programming (in c++, then laterally, c# [don't ask how that happened])
* continued to experiment with alternative contraception
* 4 kids later, discovered condoms
* kids all nest flown now
* winding down a self employed career in tv/audio media programming
* now focussed on using what talents i have left on stealing the low hanging fruit in the forex markets
* oh, and after living in London for 20 years (tho born and bred in Glasgow East End), now live in THE most beautiful part of SW Scotland

…as is bloody obvious, my life was never a plan, more a cherished journey with many gargantuan steps. i always (try to), embrace the unexpected, and have definitely found that it’s in life's surprises that i've found my greatest joys ...

blush..