Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[ForFolksSake]

Asylum seekers can remain at Epping hotel after Home Office wins appeal – UK politics live

Surprise, surprise ... there's a half a dozen boats just set off from France

[Emtaxx]

someones gunna unload an arsenal on there ..... interesting next actions ...

[firlandsfarm]

I didn't say that as well you know )

I would rather the gov focused more on "illegal" drugs & real criminals.

And by a strange co-incidence (talking about criminals) the majority (60%) of those arrested recently protesting about "migration" had domestic abuse convictions and a significant number had in their possession drugs or were high on...

Would be up for deporting that lot to St Helena for some re-education.

But to cut a long story short, I don't have a solution but Farage & the Daily Mail certainly don't have one either !

Peace be with you...

"Still struggle to see why all this outrage over a relatively small number of "illegals" " ... sorry but that looked very much like "why all the bother, there aren't many crimes/criminals!

What is the ultimate source of your data re the background of those arrested protesting about "migration"?

Love to deport the wokey LL's to St Helena. Have you noticed the media always talk of the Left and the Far Right and never the Right and the Far Left!

The conservatives failed to stop the immigrants, Starmer lied he would stop them to win the election but Labour has failed to stop them. The (Far!) Left say Rwanda never worked, agreed, because it was never allowed to work. They also say Farage's plans won't work and they will do their best to make sure it doesn't work with their Rwanda like tactics. If you don't allow something you can't say it didn't work. If Haaland doesn't play this weekend you wouldn't criticise him for not scoring would you!

[sionascaig]

What is the ultimate source of your data re the background of those arrested protesting about "migration"?

Just do a search: riots domestic abuse charges - it was reported widely...

"Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

Previous offences include actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm, stalking, breach of restraint and non-molestation orders, controlling coercive behaviour and criminal damage."

==> Utter scum...

edit - and the point I was trying to make is that this sort of stuff (incl drugs) is way down on people outrage meter compared to a "relatively few" illegal migrants.. and I just don't understand why...

[firlandsfarm]

"Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

Previous offences include actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm, stalking, breach of restraint and non-molestation orders, controlling coercive behaviour and criminal damage."

==> Utter scum...

edit - and the point I was trying to make is that this sort of stuff (incl drugs) is way down on people outrage meter compared to a "relatively few" illegal migrants.. and I just don't understand why...

Ahh, so here we go with the stretched truth incognito as a lie! So it was only 1 police force ... the 60% figure you quoted was not over the whole. BTW I did a search and couldn't see a substantiated 60% figure anywhere on the first two Google pages. So I asked ChatGPT and this is how it responded ...

"... previously been reported to police for domestic abuse (source: The Guardian)

Important caveat: “Reported” ≠ “convicted.” Fewer than one-quarter of those with prior domestic-abuse reports had ever been charged for those domestic-abuse incidents. So the figures indicate overlap in police reporting histories, not proven guilt in those earlier cases. (Source: The Guardian)"

Did you notice ... "the Guardian"

And I don't see anything in your quote to say it was only the anti illegal immigrant faction ... based on your separatist logic they could have all been from the "we want immigrants and we want you to pay for them" bandwagon! Oh and if I may point out (as did ChatGPT above) they are arrests, nothing about being guilty ... it wouldn't be the first time the police have 'enhanced the situation' perhaps to justify their jobs. But we know it's perfectly OK for the wokerati and immigrant population to protest but not for others. Maybe if the police spent more time investigating grooming gangs and less putting a tweeting mother in jail I would have more respect for them. It's about time they spent their time on violent crime and not tweets. A machete on the street will always be more of a threat that a few words.

[sionascaig]

Important caveat: “Reported” ≠ “convicted.” Fewer than one-quarter of those with prior domestic-abuse reports had ever been charged for those domestic-abuse incidents. So the figures indicate overlap in police reporting histories, not proven guilt in those earlier cases. (Source: The Guardian)"

Either way, drug addled domestic abusers are utter scum. I hope we can agree on that.

Try having a chat to a policeman or woman. They spend a huge amount of time dealing with drug related issues & domestic abuse. We can now add to that the violent rioters "many" of whom have domestic abuse "charges" and/or have been reported for said and /or off their face on drugs...

==> I hope we can agree on that wording...

But your point : "Fewer than one-quarter of those with prior domestic-abuse reports had ever been charged for those domestic-abuse incidents". That will be right up there with sexual assault & rape charges v's convictions. Just because they were never charged or convicted may be more to do with a failing of policing or terrified witnesses than "innocence".

I agree, the conviction rates should be much higher.

Domestic abuse
"In the year ending March 2024, 262 deaths in the UK were related to domestic abuse, including 98 suspected suicides following domestic abuse and 80 intimate partner homicides. These figures also include child deaths, deaths within other family relationships, and other categories like unexpected deaths and falls from height that were linked to domestic abuse situations."

Drug Related Deaths
In England and Wales, 5,448 deaths related to drug poisoning were registered in 2023

Illegal Drug Costs
In December 2021, the government estimated that illegal drugs cost society £20 billion per year, with drug-related crime making up nearly £10 billion of these costs.

The above barely gets a mention v's the hoo ha about some "illegal" migrants.

As I said, it makes no sense to me and your post didn't help clarify it in the slightest.

[firlandsfarm]

As I said, it makes no sense to me and your post didn't help clarify it in the slightest.

I haven't checked the numbers you quote but I totally agree with the principles behind your analysis of them. Often when I contest something said in the forum it's because I question on what such comments are based. I will challenge a comment if I can see an opposite derivation. Words such as 'reported for', 'arrested' and 'convicted' are not interchangeable.

[sionascaig]

As I said, it makes no sense to me and your post didn't help clarify it in the slightest.

I haven't checked the numbers you quote but I totally agree with the principles behind your analysis of them. Often when I contest something said in the forum it's because I question on what such comments are based. I will challenge a comment if I can see an opposite derivation. Words such as 'reported for', 'arrested' and 'convicted' are not interchangeable.

And you are right to challenge. I picked the 60% number from memory as that figure stuck in my mind but clearly missed out on some of the context.

Lesson learned but would have been better learned without the "ranty" bits !

Anyhow:

“Some hae meat and canna eat,
And some wad eat that want it,
But we hae meat and we can eat,
Sae let the Lord be Thankit!”

[firlandsfarm]

No sooner do you put a subject to bed then another "not right" situation rears it's head. We skipped Raynor's property shuffling but now we have political judges! ChatGPT reviewed Lord Justice David Bean, one of the Appeal Court judges hearing the Government's appeal re Bell Hotel, Epping.

He was a member of the Labour Party for around 28 years prior to his judicial appointment.

He served as Treasurer of the Society of Labour Lawyers, a group closely affiliated with the Labour Party and which provides legal advice and policy support to Labour MPs and Peers.

He chaired the Fabian Society—a socialist think tank with historic Labour Party links—from 1989 to 1990.

He was a founding member of Matrix Chambers in 2000, alongside notable legal figures connected with Labour, such as Cherie Blair (Tony Blair’s wife).

Public policy contributions:

Before Labour’s 1997 general election, he edited a reform-focused manifesto titled Law Reform for All, featuring contributions from Labour MPs such as Jack Straw and Keith Vaz. It advocated for incorporating the European Convention on Human Rights and introducing an Equalities Act.

Now for the rant! ... He is closely connected to the appellant and was editor of a manifesto advocating in favour of European Convention on Human Rights, the subject of the appeal. By what standard does he think that makes him a neutral to hear an appeal by his favoured political party on a subject he has promoted in the past? That he did not stand down is proof itself that he was not fit and proper for the case.