The wisdom of the crowd...

Trading is often about how to take the appropriate risk without exposing yourself to very human flaws.
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firlandsfarm
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On the basis that fans wouldn't bet against their team and half the world claim to support ManUre wouldn't that suggest you should always lay MU (especially in recent seasons! :D ) because their price will be distorted? :lol:
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:47 pm
On the basis that fans wouldn't bet against their team and half the world claim to support ManUre wouldn't that suggest you should always lay MU (especially in recent seasons! :D ) because their price will be distorted? :lol:
I tried a version of this theory by backing all the draws, hoping to find some +EV from the crowd tending to side with one team or the other. Like everything else I've ever tried on football it soon fell on its arse. :lol:
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jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:54 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:47 pm
On the basis that fans wouldn't bet against their team and half the world claim to support ManUre wouldn't that suggest you should always lay MU (especially in recent seasons! :D ) because their price will be distorted? :lol:
I tried a version of this theory by backing all the draws, hoping to find some +EV from the crowd tending to side with one team or the other. Like everything else I've ever tried on football it soon fell on its arse. :lol:
I don't think 'the crowd', esp on Betfair, is big enough to stop the smart money from finding the value equilibrium.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 3:07 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:54 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:47 pm
On the basis that fans wouldn't bet against their team and half the world claim to support ManUre wouldn't that suggest you should always lay MU (especially in recent seasons! :D ) because their price will be distorted? :lol:
I tried a version of this theory by backing all the draws, hoping to find some +EV from the crowd tending to side with one team or the other. Like everything else I've ever tried on football it soon fell on its arse. :lol:
I don't think 'the crowd', esp on Betfair, is big enough to stop the smart money from finding the value equilibrium.
I think you are correct.
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jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 3:51 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 3:07 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Oct 29, 2025 2:54 pm


I tried a version of this theory by backing all the draws, hoping to find some +EV from the crowd tending to side with one team or the other. Like everything else I've ever tried on football it soon fell on its arse. :lol:
I don't think 'the crowd', esp on Betfair, is big enough to stop the smart money from finding the value equilibrium.
I think you are correct.
I think the fans probably abstain when they think they will lose. And James I tested it using the football price download spreadsheet scalping the footballdata.co.uk files. I know it doesn't have Bf prices but I took a view the Bf price would not be far from the maximum odds in the footballdata data and once you test on that basis you can easily apply a %age enhancement to find the breakeven point (can't remember what it was :) )
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